>> Next on Arizona horizon, it's a debate between republican candidate for Arizona's ninth congressional district and an hour-long debate next on Arizona horizon.

Good evening and welcome to the special election 2022 edition of Arizona horizon.

Tonight, we feature a debate between the republican candidates for congressional district nine and this is a joint effort between Arizona PBS and and we have Stacie Barshinger.

>> Even interruptions are allowed and provided that all sides get a fair shake and we will do our best to see that happens.

>> And joining us now for tonight's debate, Sandra Dowling, the superintendent and marine veteran and Randy Kutts, and a marine veteran and Adam Morgan, a technology software technologist.

And let's get to opening statements with the or picked at random and closing will go in reverse order and we start with Sandra do you Dowling.

>> Thank you, Ted.

I find this to be a wonderful event because we have three veterans that will be competing for this seat and so, our veterans are going to be represented in one fashion or another.

I'm a candidate for congressional district nine which encompasses Maricopa county and western half of the state in and I'm a former marine corps veteran and my parents actually moved here when I was three years of age and I consider maze maze myself a lifelong Arizonian.

I have four children and nine grandchildren.

I love them deeply and dearly and I think this is about them and their future and the legacy we leave behind to make this country even greater.

Thank you.

>> And now we turn to Adam Morgan.

>> I would like to address who is not here.

Our representative Paul Gosar is physically and mentally weak and doesn't think he has accountability to the district.

If he cared about the district and America, me would redesign if the G.O.P cared, they would make him.

Everybody who is watching, they should ask how someone who is has been.I'm the own one only one understands how to fix them.

Vote for captain Morgan to guide through the troubled waters.

>> We turn to Randy.

>> Thank you to Ted and Stacie for having us.

Sometimes people struggle with cuts as in cuts government spending.

We have raised our family in Arizona for 30 years.

I'm a marine corps veteran, a constitutional conservative and I work for former Congressman for eight years and five years, I was the chief of staff and additionally, my career path had me as a negotiation path and basically, I help companies solve problems and we have enormous problems in our country and I'll bring effective leadership to solve the problems and namely $30 trillion of debt that's just sinking our ship for sure and a border that is really much of an open border that is -- there's only one way, an invasion of shorts and we've got serious problems and I want you to know I'm here to help solve those and happy anniversary to my wife, 32 years today.

>> Sandra, you are a republican and you're running to replace a sitting republican Congressman.

>> Yes.

>> Why?

>> Well, Paul Gosar is definitely a sitting Congressman, but he has represented a different district.

My personal situation, I lived in the same house and even though the district has changed, the boundaries have changed and I haven't and I know the people in the community and I know the needs and the direction and the things that are important to them.

When the Congressman attended a white supremacits group, that upset me and voted to not provide aid to the Ukrainian people and it was more of a symbolic vote and one of three Congressman that voted against that.

And that really upset me, but then later on in the week, the one that victimmed the tipped the scales when the burn pit bill came in to expose toxic chemicals and my son died from that.

When he voted no, it was like he kicked me in the gut and he turned his back on every person that voted for that.

>> Adam, you mentioned that in your opening statement, more, please.

Paul Gosar does not represent the people of congressional district nine and it's un-American and not to mention he doesn't pass good legislation and everything he does right now just isn't what the people of the district need.

>> As you mention, people of the district, how are you sure that Paul Gosar aren't what the people of the district want?

>> Talk to anybody and they'll tell you the same thing.

Facing issues, water issues, economy, nation he anything he passed this time.

>> Randy, he's been and why do you want to replace him?

>> One of the more common questions as well.

arguably, he left 35% and the retained Mohave county and should be running against Mr. Ohaleran.

Arguably, he is running against himself, his antics and Congress is a campaign of once again himself and I'm run for the people of the new ninth congressional district to represent their interests and those are my motivations.

>> Are you sure he doesn't represent their interests?

>> I think -- look, he's had to challenge the last two cycles and someone took 30% in Movohave county.

>> Why have people in state not denounced him?

>> A certain level of respect in office and I do think what they say privately and publically sometimes differs and lately, we have seen republican leaders talking about the embarrassment of some of the antics going on and people, when they decide to do something like this, it's a big commitment, taking a toll on their families and on them and something they have to be ready and willing to do and for these other elected officials, whether out of fear they're going to lose legislation or support them on something or their clients won't be supportive, it's one of those things where everybody will take the lead.

>> Adam, if he's so far out of the mainstream and out of the district want, why are state republican leaders not denouncing him and loudly?

>> There are state republican leaders, a leadership that -- the Arizona G.O.P is not yet -- I think you would have ask them to them or people in and.

I think they has a lot of special interests he gets money from and outside the district that doesn't pertain to anyone in the district and trying to hold on no that onto that and how can you support someone that puts such a bad shine on the district.

>> What do you think, Randy?

>> He left the race with redistricting because he doesn't have the support in those parts.

They represent the mining industry, natural resource's industry, where he was on committees that carried it for the district and it made no sense for him to jump into a safe seat and a self-serving thing and not a Democrat running in the general election and self self-serving.

>> I live in Mohave county and I am winning by over 50% of the vote there and he is not popular and time for people to stand up to him and push him out.

>> Adam, you have to fact check how many people feel about that poll.

>> How many people did fill it out?

You must know, right?

You're saying it.

>> Why don't you contact the publisher there.

>> I know I've lived in the district 30 or 40 years and how long have you lived in the district?

>> I've lived in the district for three years.

>> How long should anyone live there before they run?

>> We're being elect -GDed to represent the district and sometimes the votes as a public official, which I've been in public office for more than 20 years, not always do I agree with the decision that I make, but I have to make that decision because the majority of the constituents, that's what they want.

In order to understand that, you have to be a part of the community.

>> You've lived in Maricopa county for 20 years and you mentioned Mohave and lapaz, and are you -- they don't know what's doing on?

>> I've worked with people all over the state, republican or Democrats and as a result, I know people -- even in district two, down in the southern part of the state, I know people all over the state and there isn't anybody that can't get a pulse for what's going on in Arizona and I think that, you know, hopefully, you know, being here only three years, you'll be able to get that done and I know I've been here all my life, since I was three years old.

>> Why aren't you in Congress yet if you've been here so long?

>> I'm running for the seat in this particular election, I have a personal reason, the veteran's issue.

>> Do you not believe article one, section two should hold up?

Do you know what that says?

There let me interrupt.

Adam, I think your spokesperson said you've lived in the district since last year.

>> We've been here three years and traveled for work.

>> I asked for clarification.

>> I know you don't like to think about this, but should you not win, where will you live?

>> Kingman, we love it and that's why I'm living now.

>> The discussion so far has been about representative Gosar and Sandra, Randy, you live in Maricopa, how are you getting to know the people?

>> When I worked for franks, the first ten years of his representing the district, it was Mohave county and included Mohave and helping veterans including portions of Maricopa and all of Mohave.

It mirrors the old one that Congressman franks represented.

>> How long ago was that?

>> Ten years and after that, still maintaining portions of Maricopa county and let go of Maricopa and I left at the same time.

>> What are the issues those voters care about?

>> Water issues, the Colorado region, the Colorado river basin is a critical thing and serious, serious issues in this state and in the district and that, I though, is one of the key things and national issues just on security, economic security, border security, water security and good old fashion national security does not leave the hearts and minds of the constituency and those are things people are plagued with by the administration.

>> Sandra how do you know what the more rural voters care about?

>> As I've said, I lived in Arizona all of my life since I was very, very young and I know people have all over the state and traveled all over the state.

We were part of a group called the national association where we interfaced at the national level with all elected officials and I maintained those types of contacts and, you you know, this is a mobile community and people that live here today may live in lake Havasu tomorrow and some of my closest friends that I talk with on a regular basis are in the Yuma area.

Arizona is a small state and it's a growing state and to say we're limited limited to Maricopa county -- >> I would add one thing, for any of us, it's quited remarkable and it's been 20 years since this district, the western part of Arizona has been represented by a veteran, more than 20 years by the late bob stump.

This was his district.

Trent wasn't a veteran and did a lot of great things for veterans and the district is a heavy concentrated veteran population.

You've got major military installations and we worked with Luke airforce base, to protect the closure of the base.

I live in a rural part of Maricopa county and all of my neighbors have animals and farm, and water that comes in and irrigates our property with the pasture and quite familiar with it.

>> Another part of the district, our retirement communities there are issues that are specific to the retirement communities and security being one of them.

When I was talking to one of the reporters in lake Havasu, I talked to all candidates you're the first one that mentioned anything about dealing with an issue that affects people everyday and that's the Social Security and Medicare.

Those issues are prevalent and doesn't matter where you live, they're universal issues and resonate with different people.

>> Just to clarify, you need to live in that part for 20 years before you have any say on what goes on.

>> That's not what I said, Adam, I was clarifying how long you lived in the district.

>> Water was mentioned and many things mentioned and let's stick to water because that's a big deal in that part of the state.

Adam, how would you help to keep, to secure Arizona water rights?

What would you do?

>> So the water rights will be renegotiated in a couple of years and it's been awhile.

In addition, if you drive over the Hoove dam, it was a gigantic project and the Army could do that again and so for me, I bringing more water in and different plans in place, whether cutting canals and pumping floodwater from the Mississippi.

We could do that again.

>> Again, securing water rights and especially when it comes to having to negotiate some of these rights with neighbors states with Mexico.

>> With the tribe.

>> Indeed.

>> Not a fair outcome of house things were negotiated before and I think that is a key part of it, but you have to fight on both fronts and have conservation and the 500 plus plan that's in place, a consortium of the reclamation and we've got local players, as well, that automatic things come into play to conserve and above and bond beyond that.

I don't want the Federal Government to come and dictate what happens.

I think the states of Arizona, of Nevada and of California need to work together at the state local level to make sure these plans are implemented.

>> What if that doesn't happen?

>> The Federal Government is there to play referee and we don't want that to take over the gam.

game.

>> How much do you want that to be a part of water right's negotiations, especially with a neighboring country?

>> In any type of pub public policy, the more to the Federal Government, we never want the Federal Government to take over and to control everything.

I personally believe that the best government is the least government and I want people in control of their own destiny and many candidates on the table in the primary for governor.

They have tear have their water right's plans and as Randy said, be more of a referee and to put together more public policy which means you pick and choose the best you can agree on and make that work.

>> These are naive answers and that is what the Federal Government is for.

The international border with Mexico where the Federal Government should get involved and you're talking about aquafers and those are state issues and the state government has to be involved and running through several states to Mexico.

If the Federal Government is not involved in this, it won't be successful.

>> I didn't say they won't be involved.

I said they won't take control.

And to have -- (Speaking over one another).

>> You have the Mississippi river.

>> These are all federal agencies.

>> It's not palpable and to bring it to Arizona.

That's absolute craziness.

>> Look, local government, we can't pick winners and losers and that's what big government does and they would choose and we have the west valley, one of the largest housing growth areas in the state.

The city of buckeye, I think the fifth in the country and those are people, residents moving there using water and that is a local issue.

Federal dollars participating and federal policies can be put into place.

If we exchange the federal for the local, it's not going to go well for anyone.

The Federal Government is in efficient.

>> This is in place.

What we're dealing with and the crisis and the water issue, from a tier one to tier to tier three is the surface water issues themselves and that you have to work with the cities and state governments and have to make sure the surface water issues are addressed.

>> You need to talk to people in Meadeview but the entire economy is collapsing and that is based off of the Federal Government and for this to say this is state issues is pushing it off.

It will never get solved that way.

To say we get pump water across the U.S. pipeline, I would imagine like the XL pipeline pumping oil here.

You can't pump water?

>> Federal money and federal policies that weigh in and managed and executed at the local level.

If you want to outsource that to the Federal Government, you're talking to the wrong constituency in your district.

>> For voters right now in the district that are hearing this conversation regarding water, you think they're satisfied with hearing, this has to be local?

>> It's a consortium.

>> Do you think they're satisfied?

If you live in that part of the world and it's happening fast and not good, you want some hard answers and you want some sort of solutions, at least more than we need to do that.

Does that make sense?

>> Yeah, but the conservation policies -- hold on, Adam.

>> No, there are conservation efforts underway and self-imposed because we've agreed as municipalities to do that as cities and within our three-state compact with the tribes and they have to happen.

What I'm saying, the Federal Government comes in and if it's just the Federal Government that dictates, it won't go well for the local people.

>> That sounds like a middle-management answer.

We need leadership.

Those people need it right now and we have to get more water in and if you're giving up on getting water out here, you may as well give up on America.

We can do this.

>> You want to surrender to the department of interior?

>> You talked about consortium.

Who will take the lead?

>> Look, they are in leadership.

If you look at the 500 plus plan.

>> That's what I said.

This is a federal issue and need federal couple and leadership.

>> Sandra, if I'm a voting in Mohave county and in your district and listening to you say, well, we have to do this and that, but I'm not hearing hard answers, do you think I'm satisfied?

>> Well, I think we have to look for answers and I don't believe the Mississippi river and I do not believe the Mississippi river is an answer or somes the problem.

Do we look at these plants?

It paying may be our best answer and won't generate enough water to bring into our communities and what we're talking about is making sure we turn the facet on, we have water and we come up with conservation policies in place and in we work without the shared responsibility of the government, the leadership that Mr. Morgan is talking about is to bring everybody to the table and to have us come up with a workable plan so that people don't feel like something has been crammed down their throat of the Federal Government.

That's not the the Federal Government.

It's to bring people together and get the issues on the table.

>> There's private industry, as well.

There's groundwaters because it picks up salination and a local company, a plan on a local level that's solar driven.

>> This is happening and happening fast and people who aren't in Mohave -- >> It won't happen overnight.

>> No, but we can do it.

Pur(Talking over each other).

>> This is one-eighth of the population.

>> What will happen when everybody has to move somewhere else?

That's on us.

>> Let me interrupt, Adam.

You suggested your opponents have not been to Mohave.

Sandra, when was the last time you were there.

>> A month ago.

>> Adam?

>> I'm going there on Friday.

>> Let's switch and talk about the border and you identified that as an important issue and if you have chosen by the residents of CD9, what will you do?

Adam?

>> The biggest thing is update immigration.

The immigration policy has not been touched sips since the 1980s.

I worked with the Southwest border initiatives and both the cartels and terrorist organizations and we talk about the drugs.

Everyone has solutions to that are 20 years old and put a wall up, which is important as a symbol.

But we need to get into the digital age with more things they immediate.

Right now no one has a plan that looks at what they need and well, put more people there and do a bunch of stuff.

That's why we have the problem we have.

>> It is entirely enforcement or advocate for immigration reform so that the backlogs disappear?

>> Absolutely.

Talking to people, people are frustrated and employers are frustrated and people who have had friends and family members who calm here and through came here and weren't able to stay.

I think most people still believe in the American dream.

I certainly do.

Getting people here who want to participate and want to pay taxes and we definitely need to reform that.

>> What about the Eagle crossers?

>> What?

>> The question about, what will you do and what policies to deal with illegal immigration?

I didn't hear anything.

>> The policies are in place.

We have to enforce those.

I'm sure you think it's a state issue.

>> The exists laws are the problem and the magnet drawing people here under faulty asylum claims.

It's not a legislative fix.

The attempt is to do something.

They tried comprehensively and it fails and you have executive action and Congress has not done the job to pass regular reforms one is the asylum laws.

They should not claim asylum for gang violence.

These not asylum-seeking reasons and judges need to have the ability to determine summary judgment to say you can seek asylum and you cannot but this administration has turned on the faucet and let's everyone in and the solution is more people, more resources.

It's the law and Congress has failed.

But when we take back the house, that is a mandate for this Congress, a republican-lead Congress to fix the border once and for all.

If we get the house back and the senate back, that's the reason for it.

>> Just to clarify, people escaping gang violence, dome domestic abows, looking to change their life, come to America, start anew, no?

>> Where are they coming from?

From Mexico, that's not the case.

>> If they come from Mexico, are you saying no?

>> Those are the not the people coming here.

>> These people don't want to go back.

>> With respect, they're coming from other countries, passing through Mexico and Mexico needs to be considered a third safe country and if they goat got through our border through a safe country -- >> The answer is no.

>> Not out of the Mexico border.

>> Just wanted to clarify.

>> In your opening statement, you called this situation an invasion and what do you mean by that.

>> Policies that just encourage people to come and we can't -- it's been almost three million people -- since the Biden Administration, three million people crossed that border, anda serious problem.

We don't know who these people are.

42 people are on terrorist watch lists and that's a serious problem and we have policies, we don't stop them, we don't keep them in Mexico or other safe third countries.

If we don't have a border, we don't have a nation and that's a serious problem.

>> What legislation when you were working was he able to sponsor to help with the border?

>> It wasn't our policy issues or portfolio, we were defense mostly.

So I don't have an answer for you on that.

We were in the minority in a lot of way.

>> What legislation did he sponsor?

>> What we did not do.

On the heels of Obama care came legislation restorm and that reform.

People did not know what was in there and that's a big problem, pushing through comprehensive reform is not the solution.

>> One of the issues is consistency, consistency in the message we send to the immigrants to the border.

Every time we change administrations, we change the policies and end up with something different and one minute they can come and they can't and we're changing the title 42 and wee sending we're sending a mixed message and not getting to the people directly responsible and that are the coyotes and people putting these groups together.

There has to be a formalized process to prosecute and to hold these people accountable for bringing these people to the border and giving false hope that anyone can walk across and it will be fine.

What we need is from one administration to the other, whether republican or Democrat, we need consistency.

That's the reason that we need all people at the able to come up with that border policy so that we don't change from one administration to the next.

And everyone understands exactly what the rules to enter.

>> That's a legislative fix and the problem is we have executive action with border issues and so with the stroke of a pen, a new administration comes in and undone what the previous administration did and it has to and legislative fix and that comes from the U.S. Congress.

>> There the relationship -- we'll start with you, the relationship between immigration and the current labor shortage?

Do you see a relationship?

>> So I am a big fan of work Visas that bring people that we need, that companies need to let them come here legally and create that process, encourage that process, in the high tech industries and we have relationships with countries that we would welcome that, where we have shortages and we don't have the right mix of skilled labor, but at the border, there's a mechanism for people to come and go.

They don't want to come and stay and they want to bring their money back home.

>> Talk about unskilled labor.

>> And the high tech Visas and making sure that's policy.

One thing I don't see happening is Mr. Gosaar ten-year moratorium.

You have a shooting problem, a gun problem and let's penalize all.

>> Jumping the gun there.

ButHow do you work the relationship into comprehensive immigration reform?

>> I think that's where you start and we can't grow our economy or this country without people working in that economy.

There are just ways and mechanisms around in place with data sharing between agencies and making sure that we talk about people coming in and working Visas and tracking.

The frustration is real.

You talk to employers that help wanted signs up and they can't get the people into work.

So that is where the Federal Government can help with those agencies and make sure those people are getting to the right place, tracking to be a part of the system.

People want to come over and stay and work and people on Visas, they can.

>> Do you agree with that Sandra.

>> I agree with a guest worker program and it has to have two components.

One component is for the seasonal workers and the other is for the workers such as our dairy farmers who have cows that get milk 365 days a year and need help year round.

We have to have a program is that people can freely and without penalty cross the bore border for the right reasons.

That's important.

Something that I know firsthand that the current Congressman has decided to block, he does not believe in, I guess, worker program, and that's frustrated a lot of the workers and employers here in Arizona because they cannot get the labor that they need to harvest their crops and to operate their farms.

>> What about switching topics here, it's very likely this month, the Supreme Court will rule on abortion rights in the country.

A leaked draft opinion suggests they'll overturn this 50-year-old precedence in Roe v. Wade.

Sandra, in what circumstances should abortion be allowed in thissery,this country, if all all.

>> I do not believe abortion should be used as a method of birth control, but there are instances for the woman and her family and her doctor and to be honest, her God.

>> When is that?

>> You're talking about rape and incest and you can't have an 11-year-old girl, whether it's a relative or whoever, go threw through that process.

If that occurred in my family, I would talk to my priest and I would make sure that my daughter didn't have to go through that.

>> So no abortions except for rape, incest?

>> Rape, medical needs and not only medical needs of the mother, but a lot of times with the technology today, you have medical needs of the child and you have situations where the child will not be able to survive or if they do survive, they'll be in a lot of pain and it will be issues with the financial burden that it will place.

You know somebody who had a child born without a brain stem and never been a functioning individual yet and the financial burden to that family has been overwhelming and for things like ha, I think that it's up to the doctor and the family themselves.

>> Adam, what do you think?

>> This is a perfect example were the Federal Government shouldn't be putting mandates on what is allowed and this is state and personally, I have four children.

I am pro life and faced with decisions like that.

Not everybody's decisions are the same and those should be made -- >> I hate to tell you that, Adam, you have not been faced with that, your wife or significant other has been faced with that.

>> Which is why I don't think the Federal Government should be putting those restrictions on.

>> I haven't made the hard decision to have that abortion but not to have the abortion and I'm gladI'm glad but it's the mother because they're the one going through the procedure.

>> Adam, Arizona has a century old law that bans abortions and except for medical emergencies, cases of rape and incest and are you OK with that being the law of the land?

>> If that's the law of the land, I'm OK with that.

That wouldn't won be won be wouldn't be a decision I would make.

That should be made at the state level and that could be made, it could be done at the federal level.

>> Randy?

>> I had the privilege and honor working for a pro-life member of Congress in Washington and one of the benefits of him resigning from Congress is to continue that on because we are where we are with overturning Roe as a result of president life of the motherthat.What's under-talked and underutilized is adoption.

And you think there's so many atonightedadopted children that mothers that nourished them.

The life of the mother, the mother is the live-giving source.

It's the decision of the mother with her doctor and family.

>> No exceptions for Rape or incest?

>> Adoption exists and don't utilize it enough.

>> If, and I'm not sure if that issue comes down to it and none of us will know until it comes down, but if it's turned over to the states and I think that Arizona, as well as all of other states need to take a look at the existing laws, our adoption and foster parenting laws in place to where we can handle that influx and make sure that we look and are more visionary in dealing with the additional impact that this Supreme Court decision is going to have?

>> Randy, one follow-up for you, you have called abortion since Roe v. Wade a national holocaust.

I want to ask you to explain that and is it appropriate to compare a family's decision to the mass murder of millions of people?

>> It is the mass murder of millions of people and it's the life of the child.

FoundThat's what is the missing point of discussion.

So the metaphor sticks, the analogy sticks and both tragedies.

>> What do you think, Adam?

>> I think that's a terrible anothing.

analogy.

>> Sandra?

>> I'm pro-life and my religious beliefs would always have me fall on the side of making sure that the life is preserved, but I do know that there are situations in every family where exceptions would need to be paid.

made.

>> Conception, abortion should be banned when?

>> I believe conception begins at Burt.

birth.

>> I believe birth begins at conception.

>> I think you said it wrong.

>> A 15 week ban as most states are working at or does life begins at conception?

>> Life begins at conception?

>> Abortion pills, should they be outlawed?

>> Adam?

>> I don't -- the Federal Government shouldn't be involved in the decision of a world.

>> Life begins at conception and we should not snuff out life when it's conceived.

Great policies like pain capable have done a great service to helping people realize that little baby can and does feel pain at a certain point.

>> Randy, shifting gears, does America have a done gun problem?

>> We have access to lots of guns if that's what your question is.

>> Does America have a gun problem?

>> A gun control problem?

>> A gun problem?

>> It's a loaded question, Ted, quite frankly.

We have a problem with crime and using guns.

We have a problem with family break down and inner-city levels and problems in our country.

I don't think it's the source of the gun but the source of the individuals.

We have human societal problems.

>> So we have a gun violence problem.

>> We have a gun violence problem.

The gun is the vehicle by in the violence is perpetrated.

>> How do we address that problem?

>> We don't attack the sec second amendment or law-abiding citizens.

This has been a dabbing boar back door and the left has known as a way to go forward.

We look at the shootings in Uvalde and it's a horrific thing and no doubt, but the first attempt at the left is to penalize and go after guns and people's guns and right to own guns and constitutionally, it's bad form and shouldn't be done.

>> Adam, we'll stick with a gun violence problem?

>> When guns are used in violent ways, that's a problem.

>> What do you do about it?

>> We can debate what the second amendment means and not to be infringed and this is not a federal issue.

If it is a federal issue, then it becomes to be changed and there's a way to change that with two-thirds of Congress and three-fourths of the states.

They don't want those right infringed upon.

>> Should we raise the age of buying firearms.

So nothing federal?

>> Nothing federal.

>> What do you think, Sandra?

>> We need to look at the horrific situations that have occurred and come up with common sense solutions to eliminate and hopefully eliminate the problem.

The problem in Uvalde was horrifying me as a professional educator and really struck home and so, we'll allow 18-year-olds to buy a weapon, I personally think that's unacceptable, but you're representing a district.

So you need to make sure that you represent your district.

Does the rest of the district believe to change the laws to make the age 21?

I would support that.

>> What do you think the district wants?

>> I think the district wants to see stronger gun gun laws that don't infringe on the second amendment rights and we look at what's put on the table.

Do we raise the limit from 18 to 21 and have universal background checks?

Do we want, without creating a registry.

I don't think we should create a registry -- >> I joined the marine corps at 18 and they gave me a gun.

>> You were trained to use a rifle.

>> They don't know what they're doing.

>> You can 18 years old and be responsible with a gun and Hunters around the country are and hunting at much younger ages.

I'm from Chicago originally and some of the Strickest gun laws on the books you look at how many kids have been gunned down.

It's not the gun that is the problem but the society.

>> We've bun done stories and they're coming up from the pipeline.

I want to stick with you and the idea of red flag laws, federal red flag laws.

>> Slowing the access, this kid turns around and using it and do we throw our hands up and say, that's America?

>> No, but red flag laws related to mental health and you have to keep in mind, the due process and too many people -- half of Americans by the standards used can be considered to have some points ofpoint of mental health crisis and it bans them from buying guns due process is not respected and constitutional rights violated.

Both are necessary.

And just to throw it out, blame the gun or the criminal.

>> The 19 people in Uvalde have been silenced forever.

>> It's a crime to kill people.

>> They should have not allowed that young man, who I can only assume he had mental health issues, they should not have allowed him to by that weapon.

He was not in the military or trained in weapons and firearms like those of us in the military were and that's an exception to the true and we're talking about the general population and a young man that hadn't graduated from high school and he was allowed to buy a gun.

Would you let him drive a car without ever doing any training?

>> Adam, we need to hear more from you.

>> America, it's the consent of the governed and America is a big place, a diverse place and those places are different.

For me, more federal laws on this, I don't think that's the case.

>> We don't have enough time to dig into this, so rapid fire questions Sandra, who won the 2020 election in Pennsylvania?

>> Joe Biden.

>> There was cheating, but Joe Biden who is at Pennsylvania avenue.

>> What kind of cheating?

Harvest balloting, harvest manipulation of ballots -- ballot trafficking is the words I want to use and those are evident, the hunter Biden lap top, influencing the way this election went.

Now President Biden is the president and the window for changing that closed early on and window for fixing it is the next election in 2024.

>> Was the election rigged?

>> Stolen.

>> Absolutely influenced and there's evidence -- people are prosecuted and states are changing laws.

>> Did Joe Biden win more votes in Arizona that Donald Trump?

>> On record, ten thousand more votes and there's ballot trafficking and I don't know anyone will know that because we can't retrieve those.

>> Why hasn't as court in the lanland agree with you?

>> They haven't taken it up.

>> They don't have evidence for it.

>> Not on the merits but I think there will be more shoes sha that drop.

>> The audit here in Arizona, whatever you want to call it fall Joe Biden won by more votes.

>> The audit was done and it was important.

There are other influencing factors that won't ever get adjudicated.

The hunter Biden lap top story was buried and it was a legitimate story and how many people didn't show up or vote or would not have voted for Mr. Biden that did?

So we don't know is the point.

>> Did the hunter Biden story affect the election?

>> There's no way to tell.

There may have been people that would not have voted if that story did not come out.

>> Enough to change the results?

No way to tell.

>> There were thousands of under-votes for the president of the United States where people voted and left the president's position empty and decided not to vote.

If the numbers I've been told and more than 60,000, that's where you find the election itself.

The election could have been switched.

It could have had a different outcome if those people would have had clear-cut reason.

>> Do you think the president is rightfully there?

>> I think he won the election.

If you look at the G.O.P database, there's more for Joe Biden than Donald Trump.

>> This is important why we need something with software experience to make sure the Federal Government overwatches.

>> It's important because the incumbents in this race is a vocal, the most vocal opponent of the election results.

Is he wrong?

>> I think the things he's talking about is wrong and kept changing.

It was a plane in phoenix with Bamboo in the ballots and it was the logs from off-line systems.

The most important thing -- sometimes there's facts.

There's evidence and then there's proof and making sure we put that together and you can't say one is the other.

>> Is Paul Gosar wrong about this?

>> He may be more right than wrong.

Every candidate has every right to have every legal vote counted and challenge that and every legal voter has every vote counted.

Whatever process that look like and it should be localized, I would just say what I don't want to to federalize the electoral process.

>> 30 seconds, Sandra.

Is Paul Gosar wrong?

>> He is wrong.

[ Laughter ] >> That's it and time for closing statements and going in reverse order of our opening remark, we start with Randy.

>> Ted, thank you so much for having me and viewers at home, thank you for listening and thank you for being informed voters.

I want you to know that you have a choice in this upcoming election.

And that's democracy and action and I'm running for U.S. Congress to bring my skills if in Congress.

I will bring principal leadership back and someone you can be proud of and seeking stunts and recognizing I work for you and honor to have your vote and thank you for listening and thank you for your support.

>> And now the closing statement from Adam Morgan.

>> Thank you for hosting this.

This was a wonderful exchange of ideas and we talking about the 2020 election and if nothing changes in the republican party, the same results in 2024 and on.

This republican needs youth, we need to modernize and I'm the only candidate to bring this.

We know what the choice is.

I look forward to serving you.

>> We finish with Sandra.

>> Thank you, Ted.

It's been an honor and pleasure to be here and my honor and pleasure to represent you as the Maricopa county superintendent for over 20 years and in that amount of time, we had many things we brought from a public policy standpoint that were considered revolutionary and considered cutting avenue.

edge.

We had 600 studentses students involved.

When I continued, over 14,000 students and brought charter students to the state and we brought parental rights and involvement to the state and all things at one point in time considered to be to the part of the mainstream and I think that is what your United States Congresswoman needs to do is to make sure that you're looking to the future and at the same time, putting people over politics.

The most important thing in this race is people over politics.

I would appreciate your vote for congressional district 9.

>> Candidate, thank you and stay tuned as we bring you more debates including our gubernatorial debate and those will be 5:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. >> You can watch this debate again on A AZPBS.org.

Thank you for joining us and hope you have a great evening.