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>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FOR THIS EDITION OF DONNYBROOK.

THE FIRST OF SEPTEMBER.

>> LET'S MEET THE PANEL IFRTS.

WENDY WIESE.

>> AND BILL MCCLELLAN.

AND RAY, FROM THE RIVER FRONT TIMES.

AND FROM THE ST. LOUIS AMERICAN, MR. ALVIN REED.

>> BEFORE WE GET TO THE TOPIC, HALF WAY THROUGH THE PROGRAM, WE CALL IT "NEXT UP" WE WILL TALK TO HAROLD AND DONNA SMITH WHO ARE PIONEERING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

A BIG STORY IN THE WASHINGTON POST.

THAT'S HALF WAY THROUGH.

I HOPE YOU DON'T MISS THAT ONE.

>>> WENDY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A FLIP FLOP.

THE CANDIDATE IN ST. LOUIS COUNTY, KATHERINE PINNER, WHO MEET DOGDOGAN.

>> MAYBE AFTER WATCHING DONNYBROOK DECIDED TO PULL OUT OF THE RACE, AND THEN SHE ANNOUNCED THAT SHE IS BACK IN AND OWES IT TO THE PRIMARY VOTERS.

CAN YOU MAKE SENSE OF WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?

>> I CAN'T.

I CANNOT.

AND MARK WAS QUOTED SAYING WE DON'T NEED THAT KIND OF DRAMA.

I SECOND THAT.

IT IS WAY TOO MUCH DRAMA.

IT IS A COMPLETE TURN-OFF WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS NOT ABLE TO ARTICULATE THE REASONS WHY SHE WOULD BELIEVE SHE WOULD BE AN EFFECTIVE COUNTY EXECUTIVE.

AS MUCH AS AS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THEY COULD GO BEHIND HER AND I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.

I THINK IT IS GOING TO HURT REPUBLICANS.

>> WHAT I FOUND WHAT WAS AMUSING OR FRIGHTENING, TIM FITZGE SAYING THAT THE REPUBLICANS WOULD STILL VOTE.

BUT I THOUGHT WILL THE REPUBLICANS REALLY LINE UP BEHIND THE KATHERINE PINNER SAYING THAT MASKS ARE SATANIC.

>> IT IS HARD FOR ME TO BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL WILL.

I THINK THIS IS ANOTHER FOR TU TIS EVENT, AN INCREDIBLE COINCIDENCE FOR SAM PAGE.

I'M SORRY.

SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT HERE.

>> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.

YOU MAY BE RIGHT.

I DISAGREE THAT WE DON'T NEED THE DRAMA.

>> WE NEED THE DRAMA.

>> OUR SHOW NEEDS THE DRAMA.

>> I HAD TIM ON FRIDAY NIGHT.

I THOUGHT HE WOULD CALL IN.

WE DON'T DO NEWS STUFF.

HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO ME.

HE, I THINK, SMARTLY POINT OUT THAT SHE WAS WITHDRAWN.

THE PAPERS HAD IT THAT SHE WAS LEAVING THE TICKET.

AND TIM SAID I WILL BELIEVE IT WHEN SHE ACTUALLY DOES IT.

I THOUGHT IT WAS -- I AM SURE THE PERSON THAT DOESN'T NEED THE DRAMA IS PAGE.

>> OH, COME ON!

>> NO, HE COULD HAVE HAD A CANDIDATE.

>> -- WAS A VIABLE CANDIDATE.

>> DEPENDING ON WHAT THE PARTY DID.

HE COULD HAVE HAD A CANDIDATE.

HE IS GOING TO BE LEELECTED.

>> I DON'T THINK IT IS DRAMA.

I THINK IT IS SILLINESS AND I THINK SOMEBODY IS TELLING HER WHAT TO DO.

IT COULD BE TIM FITCH AND THE GAME.

IT IS WORSE OFF IF YOU DROP OUT AND NOT ON THE BASICALLY RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE.

>> ISN'T THERE A PENALTY INVOLVED IN TERMS OF IF SHE DOESN'T PULL OUT BY A CERTAIN TIME?

I THOUGHT THERE WAS A TIME?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

>> HE IS NOT TALKING.

HE STILL HAS A CAREER AND SOMEONE IS TELLING HIM NOT TO TALK.

OR ADVISING HIM NOT TO TALK.

>> THAT'S SMART.

>> I AGREE.

>> WHAT CAN YOU SAY?

WHEN THE WOMAN BEAT HIM SO HANDLING.

>> IT WAS DOUBLE DIGITS.

>> AS YOU POINT OUT, A MASK IS CONNECTED TO SATANIC RITUALS.

>> THERE ARE CHIPS IN THE VACCINE.

>> IF SHE GETS SURGERY, DOES SHE THINK THE DOCTOR IS SATANIC?

>> HE HAS A CAREER -- >> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> ALVIN, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE LOOP TROLLEY.

THE ISSUE, IT GOT 1.6 BILLION DOLLARS.

THIS IS THE REGIONAL AUTHORITY.

AND AS YOU KNOW THE TROLLEY WAS NOT THAT POPULAR TO BEGIN WITH.

IT IS NOT THAT POPULAR IN ITS NEW FORM.

IT IS OPENED THURSDAY'S THROUGH SUNDAY'S, 11-7 AND IT WILL END OCTOBER 30.

SO, DO YOU THINK THAT IF THESE WERE LOCAL DOLLARS THAT HAD TO BE SPENT, AND NOT FEDERAL DOLLARS, THESE LOCAL GUYS OF WOO VOTED FOR IT?

>> I STILL THINK THERE IS A THREAT OF WE MAY NOT GET SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE THAT ACTUALLY THAT WE REALLY, REALLY NEED.

SO, LET'S JUST KEEP IT RUNNING.

NOT EVERYDAY AND NOT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

AND TAKE THIS MONEY AND KEEP IT RUNNING THE RAILS FOR AWHILE.

I WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR IT.

I CAN'T BE MAD AT THEM FOR VOTING.

>> I BELIEVE TOMMY SAYING THIS WILL HURT US.

I BELIEVE MAYOR JONES AND SAM SAID THE SAME THING.

THIS WILL HURT US WITH FEDERAL DOLLARS LATER.

AND THAT IS MAYBE I'M A SUCKER.

MAYBE I BELIEVE ANYTHING.

THAT'S ENOUGH OF A THREAT TO ME.

WE ARE GOING TO WANT THOSE FEDERAL DOLLARS DOWN THE ROAD.

>> I THINK IT IS THE GOOFIES GOOFIEST THREAT EVER.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYS IF YOU DON'T KEEP PUTTING MONEY IN A LOSING PROJECT, WE WILL LOSE FAITH IN YOU.

YOU HAVE TO THROW IN YOUR CARDS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOSING HAND.

>> I DISAGREE.

AT THE MINIMUM, THEY WOULD CALL BACK WHICH IS 37 MILLION DOLLARS.

WHATEVER IT IS.

AND THAT WOULDN'T BE PAINLESS.

I WAS IN THE LOOP LAST WEEK AND SAW THE THING RUNNING.

IT WASN'T EMPTY.

IT WAS ABOUT HALF FALL.

>> TWO PEOPLE [LAUGHTER.]

>> I DIDN'T SEE PEOPLE FALLING OUT OF IT.

IT WAS -- YOU KNOW, LOOK, TO YOUR POINT ORIGINALLY, TO ALVIN, IF IT WERE LOCAL DOLLARS, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

IT WAS BEFORE -- YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO IS TAKE A DEEP BREATH.

>> THIRTY SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS?

>> THEY COULD CALL IT BACK.

>> I DON'T THINK THEY WILL.

>> IT IS AN EMPTY THREAT.

>> THAT IS IF THEY WILL PENALIZE US IN THE FUTURE.

IT IS NOT DEBATABLE THAT THEY WILL COME FOR THE MONEY.

>> THEY WILL COME FOR THE MONEY.

THE CITY HAS THE MONEY RIGHT NOW.

>> NO, NO, NO NOT FROM THAT.

>> THEY HAVE HALF A BILLION DOLLARS OF FEDERAL RELIEF.

IT IS NOT LIKE THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY.

YOU HAVE A LOSING OPERATION, SO YOU ARE THROWING MORE FEDERAL DOLLARS.

MORE GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD.

WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA ORIGINALLY.

IT IS NOT.

YOU SAW IT LAST SUNDAY.

YOU DON'T THINK IT IS GOING TO RUN.

>> I DON'T THINK IT IS HELPFUL FOR PEOPLE TO POUND ON IT.

LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

BECAUSE IT IS HAPPENING.

>> WHY?

>> BECAUSE IT IS HAPPENING!

>> WE HAVE SEEN WHAT IS HAPPENING FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

>> THEY JUST STARTED RUNNING IT.

AND IT IS RUNNING FINE.

LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

IT IS A DONE DEAL.

>> LET ME TALK ABOUT STATE.

I WAS THERE NEAR THE BP.

THERE WASN'T ONE PERSON ON THE PLATFORM ON EITHER SIDE FROM 7:12-7:36.

THIS WAS RUSH-HOUR ON A THURSDAY.

>> WHAT WERE YOU DOING THERE?

[LAUGHTER.]

>> HE WAS PREPPING FOR THE SHOW.

>> THAT'S A TOPIC FOR ANOTHER DAY.

>> RAY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FEUD JONES AND SCHMITT.

THEY ARE GOING BACK AND FORTH ON TWITTER WITH INSULTS.

LIKE THEY HAVE FOR A YEAR.

AND NOW THE PROPOSED LAWSUIT AGAINST KIA AND HYUNDAI BECAUSE OF THE STOLEN VEHICLES IN THE CITY.

I THINK THE FEUD HAS GOTTEN OLD.

IT GOT OLD A LONG TIME AGO.

THESE ARE LEADERS WHO SHOULD BE ACTING LIKE LEADER.

IF SCHMITT BECOMES A SENATOR, THEY WILL HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER.

>> NO, THEY WILL NOT.

HAVE YOU BEEN FOLLOWING OUR POLITICS LATELY?

IN A PERFECT WORLD THEY WOULD WORK TOGETHER.

THEIR STAFFS WOULD WORK TOGETHER.

AND THERE IS A LOT MORE COOPERATION MORE THAN YOU KNOW OF.

THE BUSCH WORKING WITH THE REPUBLICANS.

IT HAPPENS.

I WOULD SAY THIS; THAT THIS IS WHERE YOUR POLITICS LIVE TODAY.

THEY BOTH BENEFIT FROM IT.

>> I AM ON JONES' SIDE.

SHE MAY BE RIGHT WHETHER YOU KNOW PERCENT OF THE TIME -- ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME.

THEY PLAY INTO THEIR GALLERIES.

I WOULD SAY IT IS NOT A FEUD, BUT PERFORMANCE ART.

I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.

>> THIS IS SOCIAL MEDIA'S DOMINANCE OVER TRADITIONAL MEDIA.

OF OUR ERA.

THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE STORY, ABOVE THE FOLD, FRONT PAGE, SCHMITT SAYS THIS ABOUT JONES AND JONES SAYS THIS ABOUT THE CANDIDATE FOR SENATE.

THIS IS WHERE THEY DWELL TODAY AND, AGAIN, AGREE WITH RAY.

>> LET ME DISAGREE WITH RAY THEN.

AT LEAST -- I AM OBVIOUSLY NOT A SOCIAL MEDIA PERSON.

BUT, WHAT I HAVE READ ABOUT THIS FEUD THAT JONES IS BLAMING HYUNDAI --?

>> UH-HUH.

>> AND WANTS SCHMITT TO SUE HYUNDAI.

IT IS THE LUDICROUS THING IN THE WORLD.

YOU HAVE THE MAYOR SAYING WE HAVE ENOUGH POLICE.

BUT THE CRIME IS THAT HYUNDAIS ARE TOO EASILY STOLEN.

THAT IS AS GOOFY AS WHEN SCHMITT SUED CHINA.

>> THAT LAWSUIT, OTHER STATES HAVE FILED THAT LAWSUIT.

WE ARE NOT THE FIRST.

THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE.

WHEN I HAD A HONDA, THEY WERE GETTING STOLEN.

WE LIVED IN VIRGINIA.

AND THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

LET'S NOT PLEASE LOOK AT JONES AND SAY IT IS CRAZINE CRAZINESS.

IT IS A SUIT BEFORE.

THEY ARE EASY TO STEAL.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I KNOW SOMEONE WHOSE CAR WAS STOLE LAST WEEK.

>> IT IS EASY TO STEAL.

>> WE ARE SEEING A PATTERN.

-- SCOOTERS ARE BEING BLAMED FOR THE CRIME IN DOWNTOWN.

AND POLICE ARE BLAMED FOR CAR CHASES.

AND HYUNDAI IS BEING CHARGED FOR THEFT.

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO BLAME THE CRIMINAL?

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE ASSOCIATE HER WITH DEFUND THE POLICE.

SHE HAS NEVER SAID THAT.

GOING BACK ALL OF THE WAY.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MULTIPRONGED APPROACH.

YOU HAVE TO DO A LOT OF THINGS AT ONCE.

SAYING SHE IS BLAMING THE CRIME ON KIA.

WHATEVER.

SHE IS NOT.

THAT'S ONE THING WE SHOULD BE DOING.

I DON'T THINK, SHE IS -- IT IS A TOUGH JOB TO TAKE ON CRIME.

ONE OF THE THINGS YOU DIDN'T MENTION -- OBVIOUSLY BLAMING THE CRIMINAL, YOU HAVE TO -- >> BUT THAT IS NOT OBVIOUS.

>> YOU HAVE TO TRY TO ADDRESS THE CAUSES OF CRIME WITHOUT BEING RIDICULED.

IT IS APART OF THE ARGUMENT!

>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SUING THE AUTO MANUFACTURER.

>> THAT'S ONE THING YOU CAN DO.

>> YOU CAN ADDRESS THE CAUSE OF CRIME WITHOUT ACTING LIKE THE -- >> SHOULD THE MAYOR SUE THE JAIL WHEN THE LOCKS DOESN'T WORK ON THE CELLS?

>> IT IS A CAR THAT IS EASY TO STEAL.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SUCCESSFUL.

THEY ARE INABILITY, UNWILLINGNESS TO ADDRESS THIS IS CAUSING CITIES COSTS.

>> YOU UNDERSTAND THE OPTIC OPTICOPTIC OPTICS.

YOU HAVE KIM GARDENER WHO IS NOT PROSECUTING PEOPLE.

AND THAT IS LIKE THE LOCK ON THE JAIL DOORS.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE.

>> THAT WAS GROSS GENERATIONATION.

AND THOSE -- ARE NOT CRIMINALS.

D THEN ALSO, SHOULD THE CITY SUE GUN MANUFACTURERS?

I THINK IT IS THE SAME.

>> LET'S MOVE ON TO WENDY.

IT IS A FOLK SONG FROM THE 1970'S THAT WAS WRITTEN FOR TRUDY BUSCH.

WHO IS IN THE U.S. SENATE RACE AGAINST SCHMITT.

SHE IS DEMOCRAT.

LET'S PLAY PUMP IT OR DUMP IT.

IT IS A FOLK SONG.

>> IT IS UP WITH PEOPLE.

IT TAKES US BACK TO THE 70S.

IT IS LIKE EVENING THE AUDIO QUALITY SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS RECORDED IN A BATHROOM.

YOU KNOW, THE SOUND IS BOUNCING AROUND.

BUT, I THINK THAT SHE IS CRAZY LIKE A FOX.

I THINK SHE IS IN IT TO WIN IT.

IT APPEALS TO PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO BE POSITIVE.

SHE IS SMILING AS I SAID BEFORE SHE IS THE FIRST CANDIDATE THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK HAS GOT A FACE THAT COULD SWITCH VOTERS' MINDS.

I THINK SHE COULD CHANGE THE MINDS JUST BY HAVING A PLEASANT DEMEANOR.

SHE IS PRETTY DARN SMART.

WHOEVER IS RUNNING HER CAMPAIGN.

>> I AGREE.

PEOPLE LIKE HER.

>> YEP.

>> DOES THAT SWING AN ELECTION?

I DON'T KNOW.

I TELL YOU WHAT.

PLAY ON THAT.

>> WHEN YOU ARE UP AGAINST SOMEONE WHO HAS A ROCKET LAUNCHER TO TAKE OUT PEOPLE.

FLAME THROWER.

[LAUGHTER.]

>> YEAH, FLAME THROWER.

>> I WANT TO SAY YOU ARE RIGHT.

BUT THIS IS MISSOURI.

-- LOST TO JOSH.

>> THIS IS TRUMP-LANDIA.

I WISH THAT BEING NICE AND BEING A NURSE COULD CARRY THE DAY.

I DON'T THINK SO.

>> I AGREE WITH BILL.

SHE HAS AN UPHILL FIGHT.

YOU WIN ME OVER IN THE SENSE THAT I SAID I VOTE FOR HER.

HER STRATEGY WHICH APPEARS TO BE TO KEEP THINGS SIMPLE, NOT TO GET DRAWN IN THE ISSUE OF THE DAY.

NOT TO TALK ABOUT THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, NOT TALK ABOUT TRUMP, DON'T TALK ABOUT VARIOUS THINGS, THE SCHOOL DEBT THING.

THE SCHOOL LOAN.

TO KEEP FOCUSED.

I WILL SAY THIS; SHE DOESN'T DUCK TOUGH ISSUES.

SHE IS PRO-CHOICE AND SHE TALKS ABOUT GUN CONTROL.

BUT SHE KEEPS IT SIMPLE.

THE ONE HOPE SHE GOT, I'M SKEPTICAL, THAT SHE SO NICE, THAT ERIC CAN BE MEAN-SPIRITED.

IT COULD BE BAD FOR HER.

>> SHE IS TAKING THE HIGH ROAD IN THE CAMPAIGN.

>> SHE IS GETTING MORE COMFORTABLE.

DON'T YOU FIND IT WEIRD THAT SHE IS SITTING ON A BAIL OF HAY?

IT IS LIKE THE FLANNEL SHIRT.

>> DID JOHN LOSE AN ELECTION?

>> IT IS NOT WEIRD.

I HADN'T SEEN -- I WILL SAY, I HAVE SEEN A FEW ADS IN THE DAY.

IT WAS AN EFFECTIVE AD.

WHETHER IT MEANS ANYTHING, THEY SAY IT IS UPHILL.

>> I BET TRUDY BUSCH HAS SIT ON MORE BAILS OF HEY.

>> THIS IS AUTHENTIC.

>> THEY DO HAVE FUTURE THERE.

[LAUGHTER.]

>> LET'S GO.

>> NOT IN A BARN.

>>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT KIM GARDENER.

SHE WAS FINED 750 DOLLARS FOR HER VIOLATIONS.

IN MY OPINION, SHE DENIED ERIC, WHATEVER YOU THINK OF HIM, IT IS NOT TOO HIGH, HIS DUE PROCESS.

WHICH HE WAS ENTITLED TO, WHEN HE WAS BEING PROSECUTED.

THERE WAS A CASE WHEN THEY CAME BACK FROM LUNCH AND THE LAWYERS REPRESENTING MR. DONALD, THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR, SAID DID YOU SPEAK TO THE ATTORNEY DURING LUNCH.

AND THEY SAID NO.

ACCORDING TO RECORDS, THEY SPOKE TO 34 MINUTES.

>> LOOK AT THE SCOREBOARD, IT IS OVER.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, FOR ALL OF THE TALK, I HAVE HEARD IT ALL ON THE SHOW, THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE -- THEY ARE GOING TO GET THIS AND THAT.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER, KIM IS STILL STANDING AND ELECTED ATTORNEY OF ST. LOUIS.

AND THE SUPREME COURT OF MISSOURI WHICH COULD HAVE DONE ANYTHING IF THEY HAD THE GREAT FACTS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ENTIRE LEGAL ESTABLISHMENT, I MEAN THE ENTIRE ESTABLISHMENT, CAME DOWN ON HER, AND SHE PREVAILED.

SAY CONGRATULATIONS AND MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE.

>> TO PREVAIL MEANS YOU GOT NO FINE.

LIKE YOU ARE GOING TO COURT AND FACING THE BIG FINE.

IT IS LIKE YOU ARE GOING TO FINE YOU 750 DOLLARS.

WE COULD HAVE DONE MORE.

BUT THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO.

I THINK THE FIX WAS IN AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO THROW THIS ELECTED LEGAL OFFICIAL, YOU KNOW, OUT OF OFFICE.

>> I AGREE.

>> OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.

THAT WAS CONSERVATIVE JURORS.

YOU ARE ONE OF US.

>> I DON'T THINK IT IS ONE OF US.

THE PRINCIPLE MAY BE RIGHT, THAT THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES SHOULD NOT BE OVERTURNING THE WILL OF THE VOTERS.

THAT PRINCIPLE IS THERE BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT PRINCIPLE.

SHE DID NOTHING IN THIS CASE -- THIS ONE LITTLE CASE.

>> SO, IT WASN'T A LITTLE CASE.

IT WAS THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE ON TRIAL.

IT WAS DROPPED.

>> IT WAS DROPPED.

>> THE POINT IS -- >> NO, NO.

>> IT WAS KEPT ALIVE BY ERIC'S CHECKBOOK.

>> AND -- PLEADED GUILTY TO PURGUR PURGURY.

>> IF THIS WAS BOB MCCULLOUGH.

A MINORITY SUSPECT ON TRIAL AND HE DID TO WHAT GARDENER DID, YOU WOULD BE FREAKED OUT.

>> NOBODY IS LOSING THEIR LAW LICENSE.

>> NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT.

>> WHY WAS SHE FINED 750 DOLLARS?

>> SHE HAD A VIOLATION.

>> WE WENT FROM SHE DID NOTHING WRONG TO A VIOLATION.

>> I DIDN'T SAY THAT.

IT WAS NOT HANDLED RIGHT.

I SAID SHE PREVAILED.

>> I WANT TO ASK A COUPLE OF THINGS, THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, IT IS REPORTED THAT THE PENSION LIABILITY IS 124 BILLION DOLLARS TO 140 BILLION DOLLARS.

IT IS UNFUNDED.

IT HAS RIGHT NOW THE PENSIONS ARE 40 PERCENT FUNDED.

FORTY PERCENT FUNDED.

DO YOU THINK THEY SHOULD BE TAKING HAIR CUTS?

>> THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO.

WHAT POLITICIAN IS GOING TO STAND UP AND GO AFTER TEACHERS AND COPS AND OTHER PUBLIC EMPLOYEES?

I MEAN, NOBODY HAS THE COURAGE TO DO IT.

WHEN THE COAL MINERS, WE SAW THAT IN ST. LOUIS, WHEN THEIR COMPANIES WENT BANKRUPTCY, THEY SAID, SORRY, WE CAN'T COVER THE PENSIONS ANYMORE.

THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN IN ILLINOIS.

WE WILL KICK THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD AGAIN.

IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK.

>> YOU WANT TO DEFUND THE POLICE, RIGHT?

[LAUGHTER.]

>> THE RETIRED POLICE.

>> YOU WILL HAVE TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION AND NOBODY HAS THE STOMACH FOR THAT.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

IT IS A FINANCIAL DISASTER EVENTUALLY.

AND NO ONE IS GOING TO DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.

>> I HAVE YOU ON THE HOT SEAT.

I WANT YOU TO SAY A WORD ABOUT DICK FORD.

WE LOST HIM THIS WEEK.

BOY, OF COURSE, HALL OF FAMILI FAMER.

HE HAD CLASS, DID HE NOT?

>> I THINK SO.

HE WAS A REAL GENTLEMAN.

ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE I MET THAT HAD A TAP IN HIS HOME.

HE SAID DO YOU WANT A BEER?

I SAID SURE.

IT WAS A TAP, AND I'M SURE IT WAS A KEG.

HE WAS A NICE MAN.

>> YOU CAN JUDGE SOMEONE BASED ON A FACE ON THE STREET.

I MET HIM IN THE LATE 70S.

WHEN I WAS PRETTY MUCH THAT THEN.

I'M THAT NOW.

[LAUGHTER.]

>> HE WAS NICE TO EVERYONE.

OUR THOUGHTS WITH THE FORD FAMILY.

>>> LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE MAILBAG AND SEE WHAT VIEWERS SAY.

>> IN THE LAST VIEW EPISODES, I MUST SAY THE TAG TEAM TACTICS MADE AGAINST RAY BY CHARLIE AND WENDY.

THANK YOU.

>> DAVE CARR, I MADE A PROMISE MORE THAN TWO OR THREE TIMES PEOPLE TALK ALL OVER EACH OTHER, THE SHOW GETS TURNED OFF.

>> STOP TALKING OVER EACH OTHER!

I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK.

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>> THAT CONCLUDES THE FIRST HALF.

WE'LL TALK TO DONNA AND HAROLD SMITH TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THAT'S NEXT.