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CHRISTINA: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," WHY MANY YOUNGER AMERICANS SAY THEY'RE FEELING DISILLUSIONED AND POLITICALLY HOMELESS.

>>> ALSO TONIGHT, WORKING TO KEEP SENIORS COOL AND SAFE THIS SUMMER.

>>> AND A LOCAL AUTHOR BRINGS VICTORIAN LONDON TO LIFE IN HER NEW NOVEL.

THOR STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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CHRISTINA: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M CHRISTINA ESTES, FILLING IN FOR TED SIMONS.

A NEW POLLS FINDS 13% OF YOUNG AMERICANS THINK THE COUNTRY IS HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, AND HALF BELIEVE THEY HAVE NO SAY WHAT GOVERNMENT DOES.

IT'S A SENTIMENT THAT CROSSES PARTY LINES.

JOINING ME TO ENGAGE IN YOUNGER PEOPLE VICE PRESIDENT OF TOMORROW WE VOTE, BRENT, THANKS FOR COMING IN.

POLL FROM THE HARVARD KENNEDY SCHOOL, AND IT'S SOBERING READING.

HALF OF YOUNG AMERICANS FEEL POINTLESS WHEN IT COMES TO GOVERNMENT.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING AND HEARING?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WE GO INSIDE CLASSROOMS AND DISCUSS POLITICS WITH YOUNG PEOPLE.

IN ORDER TO GET THEM TO REGISTER TO VOTE FOR THE POWER, AND WE HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME.

IT'S EITHER HALF THIS OR HALF THAT.

MANY OF THEM WILL REGISTER INDEPENDENTS BECAUSE THEY FEEL DISENFRANCHISED FROM THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT WING FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

THAT POLL IS CORRECT.

CHRISTINA: THE POLL FINDS THAT HALF OF THEM SAY INFLATION IS IMPACTING THEM A LOT.

THEY DON'T FEEL FINANCIALLY SECURE, SO HOW DO YOU TALK TO YOUNGER PEOPLE WHO ARE FOCUSED ON PAYING THE RENTS OR BUYING GROCERIES OR GETTING GAS IN THE CAR ABOUT HOW TO INVEST OR WHY THEY SHOULD INVEST THEIR TIME AND ENERGY TO REGISTER TO VOTE?

>> IT'S PERFECT.

WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THEY SEE WHAT THE FUTURE IS, WHAT CAN COME OUT OF IT.

WE FIND THAT MANY OF THE YOUNG PEOPLE FEEL THAT OLDER GENERATIONS DON'T LISTEN TO THEM.

THEY SPEAK TO THEM.

SO AS GEN-XERS MYSELF AND MY WIFE, WE GIVE THEM AN EAR TO LISTEN TO THEM, WHEN WE DO, THEY RESPOND.

AND GIVE ADVICE WHETHER GROUPS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO LISTEN TO WHAT YOUNG PEOPLE ARE SAYING.

ONCE THEY DO THAT AND HAVE A CONVERSATION GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THEM, NOW THERE'S A RAPPORT, AND YOUNG PEOPLE WILL RESPOND TO THE RAPPORT.

ALL WE DO IS SPEAK TO THEM IN THAT MANNER AS IF THEY ARE ADULTS WHICH MOST OF THEM ARE RUNNING INTO AND REGISTER TO VOTE BASED ON THE CONVERSATION OF US LISTENING TO THEM.

CHRISTINA: IN 2024, A SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE OF YOUNG MEN SWUNG TOWARD TRUMP, AND A VARIETY OF RECENT POLLS SHOW SOME OF THEM ARE EXPRESSING BUYERS REMORSE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO NOT MOVING TO THE DEMOCRATS.

SO THE HARVARD POLL FOUND THAT YOUNGER PEOPLE HAVE REALLY LOW APPROVAL RATINGS FOR BOTH PARTIES.

DOES THAT MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR YOU IN YOUR LINE OF WORK OR IS THAT KIND OF A GOOD THING FOR YOU?

>> WHAT WE DO, SINCE WE'RE A NONPARTISAN ORGANIZATION, WE DON'T SPEAK PARTIES, WE SPEAK TO THE ISSUES THAT AFFECT THEM.

THAT'S HOW WE BECOME CIVICALLY ENGAGED.

WE SPEAK WITH LGBT ISSUES, THE CLIMATE, WHAT THEY CAN DO BY USING THEIR ONE VOTE IN THE COLLECTIVE TO NOT EVEN JUDGE REGISTER OR TO VOTE FOR THEMSELVES BUT VOTE FOR PEOPLE THAT THEY LOVE.

ONCE THEY DO THAT, THEY GET A PERSPECTIVE WHAT IT IS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR INSIDE OF THE FUTURE AND VOTE ACCORDINGLY.

THAT'S WHAT THE POWER DOES.

CHRISTINA: YOU WORK A LOT IN THE DIGITAL SPACE, SOCIAL MEDIA, ONLINE OUTREACH.

YOU ARE TALKING TO A GENERATION THAT HAS BEEN BORN AND RAISED ONLINE, BUT ALSO THE SAME ENVIRONMENT THAT CREATES A LOT OF DIVISIVENESS, TURNS PEOPLE OFF WHEN IT COMES TO POLITICS.

HOW DO YOU CUT THROUGH THE NOISE AND USE THAT DIGITAL SPACE TO ENGAGE YOUNG PEOPLE?

>> WE MAKE SURE WE TAG THE RIGHT PEOPLE.

WE TAG THE RIGHT ORGANIZATIONS AND SHARE OUT.

ALL YOUNG PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR IS INFORMATION, LOOKING FOR THE TRUTH.

SO WE WHITTLE OUT ANYBODY WHO LISTENS TO TALKING HEADS, WE LISTEN TO THE NEWS IS LYING AND ONLY SPEAK OUT INTO THE TRUTH.

WHAT WE PUT ON OUR INSTAGRAMS OR FACEBOOKS OR WHATEVER IT IS YOUNG PEOPLE ARE DOING, EVEN TikTok, IS CORRECT INFORMATION, AND PEOPLE SAY IT'S NOT CORRECT THAT WE USE DATA TO BACK UP EVERYTHING WE STATE, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WIND UP LOOKING AT.

SO MUCH EASIER PUSH TO EDUCATE THEM THAN TO TELL THEM.

CHRISTINA: WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT TO ENGAGE YOUNG VOTERS?

I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE A NO-BRAINER, BUT -- >> BECAUSE THIS GENERATION BETWEEN 18 AND 29, EVEN IN THE LAST GENERATION, WHICH IS THE LARGEST ONE, GEN Z, THEY ARE THE LARGEST DEMOGRAPHIC RIGHT NOW IN GENERATIONS.

THEIR VOTE AND KNOWING WHAT THEIR VOTE MEANS JUST AS A COMMODITY IN THE GOVERNMENT.

SO FOR INSTANCE, THEY ARE BEING USED FOR TAXES OR WHENEVER THEY GET A JOB, WE TAKE TAXES OUT, SOCIAL SECURITY, WHATEVER.

WE TELL THEM IF MONEY IS BEING SPENT YOU ON OR MONEY SUCCESS TAKEN OUT FROM YOU, THAT MEANS YOU ARE PART OF THIS WHOLE COLLECTIVE IN THE GOVERNMENT.

THAT'S WHERE POWER IS.

SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO VOTE BECAUSE ONCE THEY REMOVE THEMSELVES OUT OF THE SYSTEM, THEY'LL FIND OUT THAT THE SYSTEM WILL STILL WORK FOR OR AGAINST THEM REGARDLESS, YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE PART OF THAT.

CHRISTINA: IF YOU DON'T VOTE, YOU CAN'T COMPLAIN.

>> 100%.

WE SAY THE SAME THING.

WHEN YOU WIND UP RUNNING AND SEEING SOMEBODY YOU ELECTED OR VOTED FOR, YOU HAVE WAY MORE VOICE OF YELLING AT THAT PERSON THAN NOT.

CHRISTINA: IF FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN TO YELL.

BRENT WHITING, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND INSIGHT.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

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CHRISTINA: MARICOPA COUNTY RECORDED MORE THAN 400 HEAT-RELATED DEATHS LAST YEAR, AND MORE THAN 100 TOOK PLACE INDOORS.

FOR OLDER ADULTS THE HEAT CAN BE ESPECIALLY DANGEROUS.

AS PART OF OUR AARP SPONSORED SEGMENT HIGHLIGHTING ISSUES RELATED TO OLDER ADULTS IN ARIZONA, IS PHILLIP SCHARF, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

CHRISTINA: WHEN PEOPLE HEAR HEAT-RELATED DEATH, THEY THINK PEOPLE ARE OUTDOORS.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

CHRISTINA: WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE DEATHS INER TOS AND WHY ARE OLDER FOLKS AT RISK?

>> COUPLE OF FACTORS THAT LEAD TO WHAT WE SEE AS A WEIRD PHENOMENON, PEOPLE DYING IN AIR CONDITIONING, AND BASICALLY, IT'S A LOT OF LOW-INCOME, FIXED-INCOME SENIORS THAT ARE RUNNING EVAPORATIVE COOLERS INSTEAD OF FORCED AIR, WE HAVE THE LUXURY IN OUR AIR CONDITIONED HOME TO RUN FORCED AIR, YOU CAN GET TO DOWN TO NICE 78 DEGREES.

IN EVAPORATIVE SCENARIO, YOU CAN BRING INDOOR TEMPERATURE DOWN INTO THE 90s, AND SOMEBODY THAT MIGHT HAVE CO MORBIDITIES AND OTHER THINGS HAVE A LARGE EFFECT BY BEING INSIDE THEIR HOMES AND THE DAYTIME TEMPERATURE BEING IN THE 90s.

THEY NEVER GET A REPRIEVE FROM THE HEAT EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE TECHNICALLY IN AIR CONDITIONING.

CHRISTINA: HOW IS TEMPE ACTION COMMITTEE WORKING WITH COOPERATIVES?

>> WE WORK WITH TEMPE AND FACILITIES TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE COOLING CENTERS.

THAT FIXED-INCOME SENIOR CHOOSING BETWEEN RUNNING AC AT HOME OR GIVING UP ON ANOTHER COST CAN COME TO ONE OF OUR FACILITIES, SPEND ALL DAY IN AIR CONDITIONING, SHUT OFF THE AIR CONDITIONING AT HOME, SO IT SAVES MONEY, WHEN THEY GET HOME AND THE SUN IS DOWN, THEY CAN AFFORD TO RUN THE AC, SLEEP WELL AND THEN THE NEXT DAY COME BACK TO ONE OF THE FACILITIES WHICH CONTAINS THEIR COSTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR BUT GIVES ACCESS TO FORCED AIR AND BETTER CLIMATE CONTROLLED FACILITIES.

>> CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A VOLUNTEER OR COMMUNITY WORKER KNOCKS ON SOMEBODY'S DOOR?

WHAT'S A HOME VISIT LOOK LIKE?

>> YEAH.

WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKERS CALLED NEIGHBORS HELPING NEIGHBORS, WE REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE SERVE AND MAKE SURE THE SENIORS HAVE THE BASIC NEEDS THEY HAVE OR NEED TO GET TO NEXT DAY.

WE'LL MAKE A PHONE CALL TO SOMEBODY AND SAY WE'RE CALLING FROM THE COMMUNITY ACTION AGENCY LOOKING TO SEE DO YOU HAVE ALL THE THINGS YOU NEED, IS AC WORKING?

DO YOU KNOW HOW TO TURN IT ON?

DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO UTILITIES AND RENT ASSISTANCE?

AND FIND OUT WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE AND GET THEM TO THE NEXT BEST SERVICE AVAILABLE.

WHETHER THAT'S WITHIN THE TCAA COMMUNITY OR GET THEM TO FACILITY THAT CAN SUPPORT THOSE NEEDS AT THAT TIME.

CHRISTINA: IF YOU ARE TALKING WITH SOMEBODY AND THE AC IS NOT WORKING, WHAT HAPPENS?

>> WE LOOK TO SEE IF WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HELP THEM FIX THE AC.

WE HAVE A LOT OF MONEY WE CALL HOMELESS PREVENTION TO KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR HOUSES.

IF THE AC IS THE THING THAT KEEPS YOU IN THE HOUSE, WE MAY WORK WITH YOU TO FIX THE AC.

IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO SO, WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH PARTNERS TO SEE IF SOMEBODY IS OFFER THAT SERVICE FOR YOU AND GET YOU CONNECTED TO A COOLING SERVICE OR A HEAT RELIEF SITE SO WE CAN HELP YOU GET TRANSPORTED TO THOSE PLACES SO AS YOUR HOME IS GOING UNDER REPAIRS, HAVE YOU ACCESS TO THE COOLED SPACE, HEALTH AND SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT IN OUR SERVICE.

CHRISTINA: THE COOLING CENTERS, WHERE ARE THEY LOCATED?

>> GREAT ONE AT THE TEMPE LIBRARY, CHURCH OF THE EPIPHANY, WE HAVE LOCATIONS IN THE TEMPE AREA WHERE PEOPLE CAN ACCESS THE COOL ZONE THROUGHOUT THE DAY, ALSO ACCESS TO HYDRATION AND REST ROOMS AND ALL OF THE THINGS.

>> HOW DO YOU KNOW THE COOLING CENTERS ARE MAKING A DIFFERENCE?

>> WE'VE SEEN THE DATA OVER THE YEARS, AND THANKFULLY SEEN A DECREASE IN THE HEAT-RELATED DEATHS AND THOSE DYING WITHIN THEIR HOMES.

IF WE LOOK AT DATA AS THE CONGRATULATIONS, WE'RE SEEING THINGS TRENDING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

CERTAINLY HAVING OVER 400 PEOPLE DIE DUE TO HEAT IS 400 MORE THAN WE WANT.

THAT NUMBER CAME DOWN FROM WELL OVER 500, WE'VE SEEN THINGS LIKE THE COOLING CENTERS AND HYDRATIONSTRATIONS HAVE DIRECT AND IMMEDIATE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

>> FOR OUR AUDIENCE OR ANYONE WHO HAS AN OLDER PARENT OR RELATIVE OR FRIEND OR NEIGHBOR THEY DON'T SEE OFTEN, WHAT'S SOMETHING THEY SHOULD BE THINKING OF AND DOING OVER THE SUMMER?

>> CHECKING TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE TURNING AC ON.

SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT PASSED AWAY WERE PASSING AWAY BECAUSE AC WASN'T TURNED ON.

WE HAVE A MEALS ON WHEELS PROGRAM, ALMOST EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK, WE'RE THE ONLY PERSON TALKING TO YOUR LOVED ONES WHEN WE DELIVER THAT MEAL.

CHECK IN ON YOUR LOVED ONE, MAKE SURE THE AC WORKS AND MAKE SURE THEY KNOW THE RESOURCES AROUND THEM.

TEMPE COMMUNITY ACTION AGENCY EXISTS IN EVERY COMMUNITY.

IF YOU ARE IN TEMPE, SOMETHING EXISTS THERE, BUCKEYE, SOMETHING EXISTS THERE, WE ARE HAPPY TO GET YOU CONNECTED TO THE RIGHT RESOURCE, BUT THERE ARE RESOURCES THROUGHOUT THE VALLEY TO HELP EVERYBODY'S LOVED ONE IN THEIR TIME NEED.

CHRISTINA: TEMPE ACTION.ORG, YOU BEAT ME TO IT, PHILLIP SCHARF, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

CHRISTINA: BEST WISHES THIS SUMMER.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

STAY COOL OUT THERE.

CHRISTINA: THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

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CHRISTINA: A NEW BOOK IS OUT ON A THIEVING ALL-FEMALE GANG AND A YOUNG WOMAN'S PLAN TO ESCAPE A LIFE OF CRIME.

"AN ARTFUL DODGE" IS A CRIME FICTION NOVEL THAT TAKES US TO VICTORIAN LONDON.

AUTHOR KAREN ODDEN JOINS US TO DISCUSS HER BOOK, "AN ARTFUL DODGE."

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

CHRISTINA: A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF "AN ARTFUL DODGE"?

>> IT IS 1879 LONDON, AND KATE IS THE BEST THIEF IN THE THIEVING GANG THAT OPERATES IN SUFFOLK, AND SHE'S THINKING ABOUT GETTING OUT OF THE GANG UNTIL MAGGIE WORTH O'CONNELL SHOWS UP.

SHE WAS A BEAUTIFUL THIEF WHO 20 YEARS AGO GOT CAUGHT THIEVING AND SENT TO A COLONY IN SOUTH WALES, WHAT WE CALL AUSTRALIA.

SHE'S BACK, SHE'S ANGRY AND HAS A HEIST SHE WANTS KIT TO DO THAT IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE.

CHRISTINA: NEARLY?

>> NEARLY.

CHRISTINA: NOW YOU SAID THAT THE THIEVING RING WAS BASED ON A REAL ALL-FEMALE GANG.

HOW DID YOU FIND THAT?

WHEN YOU FOUND IT, WERE YOU LIKE YOU HAVE TO LEARN MORE?

WERE YOU LIKE I'M TOTALLY GOING TO WRITE ABOUT THIS?

>> BOTH.

IT'S A FUN MOMENT.

MY DAUGHTER JULIA WAS OVER IN ENGLAND FOR A SEMESTER ABROAD, AND WE DECIDED IN DECEMBER AFTER SHE WAS FINISHED, I WOULD GO OVER AND SPEND A WEEK DOING MOTHER-DAUGHTER, BOBBING AROUND LONDON THINGS.

AND ONE OF THE LAST NIGHTS WE WERE IN LONDON, IT WAS A DARK AND STORMY NIGHT, RAINING, THE UMBRELLAS WERE TURNED INSIDE OUT AND DUCKED INTO THE SCOTLAND YARD HOTEL.

IT IS BEFORE WHITEHALL PLACE THAT USED TO HOLD THE SCOTLAND YARD DIVISION, AND MARRIOTT BUILT THIS HUGE VICTORIAN-THEMED HOTEL.

ANYBODY CAN STAY THERE, 2019 THEY BUILT IT, VERY NEW, VERY NICE.

WE WALK IN WITH OUR SAD UMBRELLAS AND DROP THEM ON THE FLOOR AND THE FOYER HAD ALL OF THESE GLASS CASES OF VICTORIAN CRIME MEMORABILIA.

CHRISTINA: WOW, A CRIME FICTION AUTHOR?

>> WOW.

PISTOLS AND KNIVES AND PAIR OF BLOODY BOOTS SOMEONE RAN OFF IN.

AFTER THAT, WE WENT TO THE RESTAURANT BECAUSE WE WERE HUNGRY AND SAID WE'RE SO SORRY, WE'RE FULL UP.

AND WE WENT TO THE BAR ACROSS THE HALL, 40 ELEPHANTS A DRINK AND A SNACK.

40 ELEPHANTS?

ODD NAME.

IT'S VICTORIAN, HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE BRITISH EMPIRE, BECAUSE THEY WERE ACTIVE IN INDIA AND AFRICA, AND I THOUGHT, WELL MAYBE IT HAS TO DO WITH THAT, AND I WALKED IN AND ALL THESE PICTURES OF BEAUTIFUL WOMEN, AND I THOUGHT THIS IS ODD.

AND THERE'S A QR CODE ON THE TABLE, AND I -- I'M LIKE PAVLOV'S DOG WITH THESE THINGS, I CLICK, AND TELLS THE STORY OF 409 ELEPHANTS IN THE 1920s AND 30s WERE BEAUTIFUL FLAPPER GIRLS.

WHO HAD THEIR ROOTS IN ELEPHANT AND CASTLE.

MY DAUGHTER WAS LOOKING AT ME, JULIA IS INSIGHTFUL AND SAID YOU'RE THINKING OF A BOOK, RIGHT?

I SAID, YEAH, I AM.

CHRISTINA: IN YOUR NEW BOOK, YOU'RE WRITING ABOUT AN ALL-FEMALE CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE, AT A TIME WHEN WOMEN HAD NO LEGAL POWER OR FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE, HOW DID THAT PLAY INTO THE PLOT AND YOUR CHARACTERS' LIVES?

>> YOU ARE VERY RIGHT, MOST WOMEN HAD NO LEGAL STANDING.

IF YOU WERE MARRIED, YOU HAD -- YOU WERE COVERED BY YOUR HUSBAND, THAT EVERYTHING IS YOU OWNED AND EVERYTHING YOU DID, BASICALLY WAS OWNED BY HIM, BUT FOR YOUNG WOMEN WHO WERE ORPHANED AND POOR AND NOT MARRIED, THEY ACTUALLY HAD A LOT OF AGENCY.

THEY COULD RUN AROUND AND DO ALL SORTS OF THINGS, SO THE THIEVING RING IN ELEPHANT CASTLE OFFERED A CERTAIN AMOUNT PROTECTION.

THERE WERE ABOUT 20 WOMEN, AND THERE WAS A LEADER, AMELIA LYLE, IN MY BOOK, AND THEY WOULD GO THIEVING AT THE NEW DEPARTMENT STORES BECAUSE THAT WAS THEIR PROVINCE, THE THIEVING HAPPENED, THEY WORKED IN TEAMS OF TWO.

THEY WOULD PRACTICE THEIR DODGES AND HAD ALL THESE SKITS AND SCHEMES THEY WOULD RUN, AND THEY HAD THIEVING PACKETS THAT RAN DOWN TO THE CRINOLINE, TO THE HEMLINE, THEY HAD HAIR NETS THEY WOULD TUCK JEWELRY INTO.

>> I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO CHECK FOR MY WALLET.

>> BE CAREFUL AS YOU ARE WALKING OUT TONIGHT.

BUT THESE WOMEN HAD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF AGENCY AND POWER AND THEY WERE TLOIL EACH OTHER.

WHEN I FIRST STARTED WRITING THE BOOK, I SAID I WANTED TO WRITE ABOUT WOMEN AND RELATIONSHIPS AND LOYALTY.

LOYALTY AMONG SISTERS, BETWEEN FRIENDS, HOW IT'S DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT CASES, SO WHILE IT IS A MYSTERY, IT IS A HEIST NOVEL, SORT OF THE EMOTIONAL ARC OF IT IS ABOUT WOMEN AND FRIENDSHIPS.

CHRISTINA: WE'VE GOT LESS THAN 30 SECONDS, YOU ARE AT THE POISONED PEN IN SCOTTSDALE, WHAT CAN PEOPLE EXPECT?

>> AT THE POISON PEN, IT'S GOING TO BE A FUNNY THING, I'M TALKING TO BARBARA PETERS IS THE OWNER OF THE POISON PEN, AND LITTLE DOES SHE KNOW I NAMED ONE OF MY THIEVES FOR HER.

CHRISTINA: I CAN'T WAIT.

POISON PEN TOMORROW NIGHT, KAREN ODDEN, "AN ARTFUL DODGE," THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

CHRISTINA: I'M CHRISTINA ESTES IN FOR TED SIMONS.

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