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TED: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," THE GROWING ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE CONTINUED GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.

>>> ALSO TONIGHT, A LOOK AT THE LEGACY OF PIONEERING CLIMATOLOGIST AND ANTHROPOLOGIST JANE GOODALL.

>>> AND HOW THE HEARD MUSEUM PLANS TO CELEBRATE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S DAY.

ALL THAT AND MORE NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

ARIZONA CONGRESSWOMAN-ELECT ADELITA GRIJALVA IS STILL WAITING TO BE SWORN INTO OFFICE.

DEMOCRATS CLAIM THAT THE REPUBLICAN SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE IS STALLING TO DELAY A HOUSE VOTE ON RELEASING THE EPSTEIN FILES.

REGARDLESS OF REASON, GRIJALVA STILL WAITING.

>> THERE WAS A SESSION.

I WAS IN D.C., AND NOW I HEAR THE NEXT TIME THAT CONGRESS IS IN SESSION SUPPOSED TO BE IN SEPTEMBER.

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TED: SHE WONDERS ALLOW A 218 DISCHARGE POSITION THAT WOULD FORCE A VOTE ON THE EPSTEIN MATTER.

>> I AM GOING TO BE THE 218th SIGNER TO THE PETITION, SO THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT PEOPLE ARE POINTING TO.

I AM A WOMAN OF COLOR, A CHICANA FROM TUCSON.

NONE OF THOSE FACTORS I THINK ARE REASONS WHY I WOULDN'T BE BEING SWORN IN OTHER THAN POINTING TO THE EPSTEIN FILES AND THE COMPLETE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY FROM THE ADMINISTRATION IN RELEASING THE FILES.

THE OTHER IS SPEAKER JOHNSON HAS CLOSED DOWN VOTES IN THE RECENT PAST TO AVOID A VOTE ON THE EPSTEIN FILES.

SO THERE DOES SEEM TO BE A CONNECTION.

TED: THE SPEAKER'S OFFICE IS SAYING A VOTE WILL HAPPEN WHEN THE HOUSE RETURNS TO SESSION.

>>> IT'S DAY 6 OF THE U.S.

GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN AND NO END IN SIGHT AS REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ON CAPITOL HILL CONTINUE TO DISAGREE OVER EXTENDING ACA HEALTH INSURANCE TAX BENEFITS, BUT WHAT IS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE SHUTDOWN AND WHAT TO MAKE OF CONCERNS THAT IS HAPPENING COULD FACTOR INTO THE ECONOMY SLIPPING TOWARD A RECESSION?

JOINING US IS JIM ROUND, CEO OF ROUND'S CONSULTING GROUP.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THE MONEY MATTERS ASPECT?

>> WELL, YOU HAVE THE GOVERNMENT COMPONENT OF IT, SO THEY'RE DEBATING ABOUT HEALTH CARE, WE DID AN ANALYSIS HOW IT WOULD IMPACT ARIZONA AND EACH BILLION DOLLARS LOST COMING INTO THE STATE RESULTS IN 36,000 JOBS WE WOULD LOSE, BUT WHAT THEY DID IS TOOK A JACKHAMMER TO THE PROGRAM WHERE THEY NEEDED A SCALPEL TO GET RID OF WASTE, AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY NOT JUST CONVERTING THE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE BY THE GOVERNMENT WITHIN AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION, WE MIGHT NEED FIVE OR TEN YEARS TO MAKE THIS WORK, IF THEY SHIFT THINGS TO THE STATE.

THERE'S INFORMATION OUT THERE, WE HAVE TO HOPE THAT CONGRESS LISTIENCE TO THAT AND THE PRESIDENT LISTENS TO THE NUMBERS SO WE DO IT EFFICIENTLY, THEY ARE FAR APART ON THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW.

TED: THEY SURE ARE.

DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD IT, THE NATIONS CAN'T AFFORD IT IF THE PREMIUMS SHOOT UP AS THEY WILL WITHOUT EXTENDING THE ACA TAX CREDITS.

WHAT IS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT IF THE PREMIUMS SPIKE?

>> IT WILL BE LIKE I MENTIONED, IT WILL BE SIGNIFICANT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO KEEP -- WE HAVE TO KEEP REMEMBERING THAT THEY'RE DOING IT FOR A REASON, THERE INDEED IS A LOT OF ABUSE IN THE SYSTEM BUT WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU HAVE TO USE A SCALPEL, WE HAVE TO LOOK FOR SPECIFIC WAYS AND NOT JUST GET RID OF EVERYTHING ALTOGETHER.

IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE ECONOMISTS AND POLICY ADVISERS CAN'T FIGURE OUT TO DO THAT, WE HAVE WAY BIGGER PROBLEMS THAN HEALTH CARE UNDERSTANDING INNED THE COUNTRY.

I FEEL THERE IS AN ANSWER BUT PEOPLE AREN'T WILLING TO GO THE EXTRA STEP.

I SEE IT ON THE DEMOCRAT AND THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.

TED: THEY'RE SAYING THE PREMIUMS COULD SPIKE AS MUCH AS 55%.

>> AND THINK ABOUT IT, WHEN YOU HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE HIGHER INCOMES, SPENDING A LOWER PERCENTAGE OF INCOME ON HEALTH CARE, LOWER INCOME INDIVIDUALS SPEND HIGHER PERCENTAGE ON HEALTH CARE AND HOUSING AND OTHER THINGS, IT ENDS UP PUTTING ADDITIONAL PRESSURE ON THE LOWER INCOME INDIVIDUALS.

TED: THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN THREATENING TO LAY OFF MORE FEDERAL EMPLOYEES IF THIS DOESN'T GET WORKED OUT.

WHAT IS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THAT, AROUND THE COUNTRY, HERE IN ARIZONA?

>> IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO SEE A PERMANENT LOSS IN THE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY OR IF IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S POSTPONED, SO THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT FURLOUGHING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, NOT JUST TENS OF THOUSANDS, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF INDIVIDUALS.

THEY'RE GOING TO PULL BACK IF THEY'RE NOT GETTING A CHECK AND SPENDING AS MUCH, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE A SLOWER PERIOD IN TERMS OF THE ECONOMY.

NOW IF IT'S JUST POSTPONING PURCHASES, THE NEXT PERIOD WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE SPIKE WHEN THEY END UP PURCHASING THOSE ITEMS THEY WERE PLANNING TO, BUT NOT EVERYTHING IS DELAYABLE.

ENTERTAINMENT, PERISHABLE ITEMS, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WHERE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FILL THE HOTEL ROOM FROM TWO WEEKS BACK WHEN IT WAS VACANT.

TED: SEEMS LIKE A GAMBLE SAYING IT WILL ALL BE OKAY IN A CERTAIN TIME.

YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT'S OKAY AND YOU DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY?

>> IT WILL BE OKAY IF THIS GETS BOTH SIDES TO BE A LITTLE MORE REALISTIC WITH HOW TO LOOK AT THIS, AND I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED, AGAIN, WITH BOTH THE FAR, FAR RIGHT AND THE FAR, FAR LEFT ON COMING TO WHAT'S THE BEST ECONOMIC SOLUTION FOR THIS BECAUSE WE CAN'T BE SPENDING MONEY AT THE RATE WE'RE SPENDING.

I'M ALREADY THANKING MY SON, AS I MENTIONED ON PREVIOUS SHOWS, FOR PAYING FOR THE HIGHER TAXES HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO PAY BECAUSE WE'RE ENJOYING THE BENEFITS OF THE EXTRA DEBT RIGHT NOW, AND THE GOVERNMENT HAS THE PROPENSITY, WHEN TIMES ARE GOOD AND THERE'S LOSS OF THE MONEY, YOU SPEND IT ALL.

WHEN TIMES ARE BAD, YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT, WELL, YOU SPENT IT ALL ON THIS PROGRAM OR THAT PROGRAM, WE NEED MORE BALANCED APPROACH TO THE BUDGET OVER TIME, AND EVEN THE BUDGET HAWKS, THE ONES THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BUDGET INCREASING, THE SAME ONES THAT VOTED FOR THE SPENDING INCREASES OVER THE LAST HANDFUL OF YEARS THAT ADDED $10 TRILLION TO THE NATIONAL DEBT IN FOUR YEARS, THAT'S A BIG INCREASE.

>> WE'RE NOT GETTING JOBS DONE, THE LAST JOBS REPORT HAPPENED BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.

WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF, A, NOT GETTING THE NUMBERS AND, B, THERE'S A SENSE THE NUMBERS AREN'T RELIABLE, IF YOU GIVE THE WRONG NUMBERS, YOU COULD LOSE YOUR JOB.

SEEMS LIKE THAT DOES NOT MAKE FOR A STABLE WAY TO FORECAST THE ECONOMY.

>> COUPLE OF THINGS, NOT HAVING A PARTICULAR DATA POINT WHERE IF IT'S DELAYED DOESN'T BOTHER ME.

ANY DATA POINT THAT COMES OUT IS IRRELEVANT TO ME.

I LOOKED AT TREND DEVELOPING.

A SINGLE DATA POINT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE SINGLE DATA POINT TO ADD IT TO THE OTHER TWO TO SEE IF THERE'S A TREND DEVELOPING.

WE'RE SEEING JOB GROWTH SLOWING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE PREDICTING, BELOW THE 50,000 EACH MONTH AND GOING TO GO NEGATIVE PROBABLY.

LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO A SOFT LANDING IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC RECESSION, MAYBE NEXT YEAR.

THE ONLY REASON PEOPLE ARE SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE IT THIS YEAR IS IT'S OCTOBER.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TIME LEFT BEFORE THE CALENDAR YEAR, I THINK WE WILL HAVE A RECESSION, HOPING IT WILL BE MILD, BUT SO MUCH UNCERTAINTY OUT THERE.

IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO PLAN FOR.

TED: I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT A RECESSION, AND HOW DOES THAT FORMULA CHANGE, IF THIS GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN CONTINUES?

>> AT SOME POINT, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PUBLIC PRESSURE FOR THIS TO BE RESOLVED.

INDIVIDUALS ARE ONLY GOING TO BE WILLING TO WORK WITHOUT A PAYCHECK FOR SO LONG.

I CAN'T REMEMBER THE TERM FOR THEM, BUT THE INDISPENSIBLE WORKERS, PEOPLE THAT WORK AT AIRPORT, FIREFIGHTERS, MILITARY, WILL BE GETTING CHECKS.

OTHERS WON'T.

THEY'LL ONLY DO THAT FOR A WHILE AND THERE WILL BE A LITTLE UPRISING, THAT'S WHEN THERE'S EXTRA PRESSURE ON THE POLITICIANS TO COME TOGETHER, MAYBE WE NEED A MICROREVOLUTION IN THIS AREA TO GET PEOPLE TO COME TOGETHER ON THIS TOPIC.

TED: LAST QUESTION, WE GOT ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT, RELATIVELY QUICKLY.

WHAT DO WE WATCH FOR AS FAR AS THE DEBATE IS CONCERNED AND WHAT THE ECONOMY IS DOING?

>> WITH THE DEBATE, I EXPECT ADDITIONAL PRESSURE TO COME IN PROBABLY IN THE NEXT WEEK.

IF IT GOES ON FOR ANOTHER WEEK, THE WEEK AFTER THAT IS GOING TO BE TOUGH FOR POLITICIANS, WITH THE ECONOMY, WE'VE BEEN SEEING SLOWING IN JOB GROWTH TO ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD HAVE EXPECTED WITH RECESSION WITHIN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, BUT THE GDP NUMBERS, IF YOU ADJUST FOR THE TARIFF ISSUES, HAVE BEEN SLIDING A LITTLE BIT, THE STORY IS THE ECONOMY IS SLOWING.

TARIFFS ARE GOING TO KICK IN WITH THE DELAY BECAUSE NO BUSINESS WANTS TO BE THE FIRST TO RATES PRICES SO WE'RE GOING TO SEE PRICE HIKES AND ADDITIONAL INFLATION THIS WINTER, WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD HAVE TO, IF THEY'RE SMART THIS TIME, UNLIKE THE PAST, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOWER RATES WHILE THEY HAVE A CHANCE.

WHEN INFLATION GOES UP BECAUSE OF THE TARIFFS, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY EVEN WITH THE WEAK JOB NUMBERS.

EXPECT IT TO BE MILD NEXT YEAR.

TED: JIM ROUNDS, ROUNDS CONSULTING GROUP, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU.

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TED: LEGENDARY PRIMATEOLOGIST AND ANTHROPOLOGIST JANE GOODALL.

THE LEGACY EXTENDS TO THE VALLEY WHERE ASU CURRENTLY ARCHIVES MORE THAN SIX DECADES OF JANE GOODALL'S RESEARCH ON CHIMPANZEES IN THE WILD.

WE WELCOME IAN GILL BEE WITH THE SCHOOL OF EVOLUTION AND SOCIAL CHANGE AND THE INSTITUTE OF HUMAN ORIGINS WHERE THE JANE GOODALL ARCHIVES ARE HELD.

WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

GOOD TO HAVE YOU.

>> THANK YOU, GOOD TO BE HERE.

TED: GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE PASSING OF JANE GOODALL?

>> WE'RE ALL DEVASTATED.

WE KNEW IT WAS COMING, BUT IT SEEMED VERY SUDDEN, AND THE WORLD IS REALLY LOST A TRUE ICON.

>> THE MORE YOU LOOK INTO HER LIFE, WHAT SHE SAID AND THOUGHT, AMAZING PERSON.

HOW DID SHE CHANGE SCIENCE?

>> SHE CHANGED IT IN SO MANY WAYS.

I THINK THE BIGGEST -- SHE BASICALLY PIONEERED THE FIELD OF PRIMATOLOGY, AND THINKING ABOUT AND ACKNOWLEDGING THE FACT THAT ANIMALS HAVE PERSONALITY, THEY'RE NOT JUST NUMBERS.

THEY'RE INDIVIDUAL BEINGS.

INSTEAD THAT REALLY CHANGED THINGS.

TED: WHAT CHANGED IT FOR HER WAS THE FIRST NOTION AND FIRST, I GUESS, EVIDENCE ARE OF TOOL USING.

>> TOOL MAKING AND USING, YEAH, YEAH, IT'S INCREDIBLE.

SOMETHING I NEVER GET TIRED OF WATCHING, THE TERMITE WIGGLE THE STICK A LITTLE BIT AND THE SOLDIER TERMITES PULL THEM OUT AND EAT THEM, AMAZING.

>> THE IDEA OF RATIONAL THOUGHTS OF EMOTION, HUGS AND KISSES, SHE SAW THAT IN THE WILD WITH THE CHIMPANZEES?

>> YEP, ABSOLUTELY.

TED: WHY IS THAT CONSIDERED SUCH A SURPRISE?

>> AT THAT POINT IN TIME, PEOPLE GENERALLY THOUGHT OF ANIMALS AS JUST SORT OF REACTIONARY THINGS THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY KINDS OF EMOTIONS OR FEELINGS OR THOUGHT AT ALL.

TED: WE'RE SEEING YOU OUT THERE IN THE WILD.

>> THAT'S ME.

TED: HANGING OUT WITH YOUR FRIENDS THERE.

BUT AGAIN, CLOSE BONDS WITH FAMILY, CLOSE BONDS WITH COMMUNITY.

WAS SHE AMAZED BY THIS?

WAS SHE SURPRISED BY THIS?

OR SUCH A SCIENTIST THAT IT WAS JUST MORE EVIDENCE?

>> THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION, I DON'T REALLY KNOW THE ANSWER.

I DOUBT SHE WAS SURPRISED BECAUSE SHE WAS VERY INTA ANIMALS AND VERY OBSERVANT BEFORE SHE WENT TO AFRICA, SO I'M SURE SHE KNEW AT THAT POINT WHAT HER FEELINGS ABOUT ANIMALS WERE AND SAW IT REFLECTED IN THE CHIMPS.

TED: AND SAW THAT REFLECTED IN HUMANS.

HOW BIG A DEAL WAS THAT?

>> HUGE, HUGE.

SHE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST, IF NOT THE FIRST TO REALLY HIGHLIGHT HOW SIMILAR CHIMPANZEES AND HUMANS ARE, IN THE GOOD AND UNFORTUNATELY IN THE BAD AS WELL.

TED: I'M GOING TO GET TO THAT IN A SECOND.

BUT THE IDEA OF COOPERATIVE HUNTING, SHARING THE SPOILS.

THE DOMINANT MALES PUSHING AROUND, TRYING TO MAKE SURE, SHE DOCUMENTED THAT.

SHE SAW ALL THAT.

DID IT TAKE AWHILE FOR THE CHIMPANZEES TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WOMAN HERE WAS NOT A THREAT OR PREY?

>> OH, FOR SURE.

FOR SURE.

IT TOOK MONTHS FOR HER TO GET THEIR TRUST, IF YOU WILL.

SO SHE WAS EXTRAORDINARILY PATIENT AND WOULD GO OUT INTO THE FOREST.

SHE'D SIT UP ON A SPOT THAT WOULD BE NAMED JANE'S PEAK, AND SHE WOULD VIEW THE VALLEY, LISTEN TO CALLS AND USE HER BINOCULARS TO OBSERVE THEM.

TED: DID SHE EVER THINK OR WORRY ABOUT HER PRESENCE CHANGING THE NATURE OF THINGS?

>> I'M SURE SHE DID, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE VERY AWARE OF, THAT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO STUDY THESE ANIMALS WITHOUT BEING THERE.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR EFFECT IS GOING TO BE.

I THINK IN GENERAL, WE FEEL THAT THE RESEARCH ITSELF IS WHAT'S KEEPING THESE POPULATIONS GOING, RIGHT?

THE RESEARCH DRAWS ATTENTION, AND THE REASON -- BECAUSE OF HER WORK THAT GONEBY NATIONAL PARK WAS FOUNDED.

TED: YES, IT SOUNDED FROM THE INTERVIEW, THIS WAS A SURPRISE TO HER AND A SHOCK, MAYBE DISAPPOINTMENT, I'M NOT SURE, YOU TELL ME.

THE IDEA THAT THERE ARE WAR-LIKE ACTIONS, CHIMPS CAN GET DOG GONE DEADLY SERIOUS WITH EACH OTHER?

>> YEAH, THEY'RE DEADLY CREATURES, AND DO NOT GET ALONG WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS.

SHE WAS THE FIRST IN THE WESTERN WORLD TO SEE WHAT BASICALLY LOOKED LIKE SYSTEMATIC WARFARE BETWEEN TWO GROUPS.

>> AND THAT WAS A SURPRISE TO HER?

>> YEAH, YEAH.

TED: HAVE YOU SEEN THAT IN THE WILD?

>> I'VE SEEN PATROLS WHERE MALES GO INTO SILENT MODE AND GO TO THE EDGE OF THE TERRITORY AND VERY, VERY QUIET AND OBSERVANT, AND CLEARLY LOOKING FOR EVIDENCE OF OTHER CHIMPANZEES.

I'VE NEVER SEEN AN ATTACK, THANK GOODNESS.

TED: THE JANE GOODALL INSTITUTE AT ASU, GIVE US A DESCRIPTION.

WHAT ARE WE TALKING HERE?

>> WE'RE IN A POSITION TO HAVE THE LONG-TERM DATA THAT CAME OUT OF NATIONAL PARK SINCE JANE STARTED IN 1960, STARTING WITH INITIAL OBSERVATIONS, INITIAL DATA COLLECTION, FROM OTHER SCIENTISTS, Ph.D.

STUDENTS AND SO ON, AND THE BULK OF IT IS DATA COLLECTED BY TANZANIAN FIELD ASSISTANCE DAILY SINCE THE LATE 60s ON THE CHIMP.

TED: JANE GOODALL IS GONE.

WHO REPLACES JANE GOODALL?

>> NOBODY.

NOBODY.

TED: HOW DOES THE FIELD GROW WITHOUT HER?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

TIME WILL TELL.

WE'RE ALL TRYING OUR BEST TO BUILD UPON WHAT SHE DID.

THERE'S NO REPLACEMENT.

WE'RE A LARGE TEAM OF PEOPLE.

I'M ONE OF MANY PRINCIPAL INVESTIGATORS WHO STUDY THE CHIMPANZEES AT GONBE AND WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST TO -- I DON'T KNOW, FOLLOW HER LEGACY.

TED: FOLLOW IN THE FIELD.

>> YEAH.

TED: TO THINK ABOUT HER DOING THAT ON HER OWN WITHOUT ANYTHING BEFOREHAND.

THAT MUST BE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING TO THINK ABOUT.

IAN, ASU SCHOOL OF HUMAN EVOLUTION AND OTHER THINGS THERE, PRIMATEOLOGIST.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT.

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TED: THE HEARD MUSEUM IS SET TO CELEBRATE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S DAY ON OCTOBER 13, ALONG WITH EDUCATING VISITORS ON THE MANY VARIETIES OF INDIAN CULTURE.

PATTY IS THE HEARD MUSEUM'S CHIEF PROGRAMMING AND ENGAGEMENT OFFICER, THERE SHE IS, AND MARCUS IS THE MUSEUM'S DIRECT OFFER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU BOTH HERE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> HI, TED, THANK YOU.

TED: I'VE KNOWN YOU, YOU'VE BEEN A BROADCASTER AND JOURNALIST FOR SO LONG, BUT TALKING ABOUT INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S DAY.

WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

>> IT'S A DAY TO CELEBRATE THE FACT THAT WE'RE STILL HERE.

WE'RE STILL AROUND, AND WE WANT TO INVITE PEOPLE TO THE HEARD MUSEUM FOR A DAY OF EVENTS THAT WILL CELEBRATE BEING NATIVE.

AND OUR THEME IS EVERYBODY DANCE BECAUSE EVERY NATIVE CULTURE HAS A DANCE THAT THEY DO, AND ALL KINDS OF CEREMONIES OR SOCIAL ACTIVITIES FOR THE TRIBAL PEOPLE, SO WE ARE HAVING A DAY OF FUN AND CELEBRATING THE FACT THAT WE'RE STILL HERE.

TED: INDEED.

WHAT DOES THE HOLIDAY MEAN, MARCUS TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLE?

>> IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO BE RECOGNIZED.

THERE ARE 37,000 NATIVE PEOPLE IN PHOENIX ALONE, AND THERE'S PROBABLY, I'D SAY, 40% OR SO THAT DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT NATIVE AMERICANS, SO GIVES US A CHANCE TO HIGHLIGHT OUR CULTURE AND TO CELEBRATE AND TO BRING PEOPLE IN.

TED: PATTY MENTIONED THE THEME, EVERYBODY DANCE, THE THEME HERE.

I FIND IT FASCINATING TO SEE THE DIFFERENT CULTURES.

THE DIFFERENT TRIBES AND THE DIFFERENT DANCES.

ARE THERE THINGS WHEN YOU SEE THESE, YOU SAY I KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM?

>> SURE, YEAH.

>> SURE, I'VE BEEN AT THE MUSEUM AND BEEN IN THE COLLECTIONS SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE MATERIAL CULTURE OF THE TRIBES.

EVERYBODY DANCE, THE IDEA AT THE POWWOW, YOU SEE THE REGALIA AND THE TRIBAL EVERYBODY DANCE.

TED: I HEARD THERE MAY BE ROCK AND POP, IS THAT THERE TOO?

>> ABSOLUTELY TED.

WE WANT TO INVITE YOU TO PERSONALLY COME DOWN AND LEARN HOW TO CHICKEN SCRATCH, BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE GERTIE FROM GERTIE AND THE BOYS, AND SHE'LL TALK ABOUT THE DANCE, AND THAT'S A DANCE FROM THE TOHONO O'ODHAM NATION, AND THEY'LL DO A DANCE DEMONSTRATION AND A DANCE CONTEST.

TED: A DANCE CONTEST.

>> SILENT DISCO.

TED: WHAT IS THAT?

>> SILENT DISCO USED THREE DEEJAYS, THE OFFICIAL DEEJAY FOR THE PHOENIX MERCURY.

TED:O, WOW.

>> IT TAKES THREE CHANNELS AND PARTICIPANTS PUT THE HEADPHONES ON AND THEY CAN CHANGE THE CHANNELS AND DANCE.

TED: I SEE, EVERYONE IS GOING OFF ON THEIR OWN TUNE.

>> A GREAT SCENE TO SEE.

TED: MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO WATCH.

WHAT ELSE IS GOING TO GO ON THERE?

WHAT OTHER CELEBRATIONS?

>> WE HAVE OTHER ACTIVITIES FOR ALL AGES.

>> COULD BE MAKING SOME BRACELETS THAT ARE DANCE THEMED.

I HAVE AN EXAMPLE HERE.

>> GOOD.

TED: VERY NICE.

>> THIS IS BAILAR.

AND WE HAVE A CHAIR ZUMBA TAKING PLACE, ZUMBA THAT TAKES PLACE IN CHAIRS, TRYING TO BE ACCESSIBLE FOR ALL AGES.

>> MAKES SENSE.

OUTDOOR SCULPTURE GALLERY, ALSO A WAY TO CELEBRATE THE HEARD MUSEUM, IS IT NOT?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S ONE THING WE HEAR FROM PEOPLE WHO COME IN WHEN THEY BRING FRIENDS FROM OUT OF TOWN, AND THE PEOPLE SAY ACTUALLY I'VE NEVER BEEN TO THE HEARD MUSEUM, MY FAMILY CAME FROM OUT OF TOWN AND THIS IS WHERE THEY WANT TO GO.

THAT'S TRUE FOR MANY PHOENICIANS, IT'S A CHANCE TO COME DOWN TO THE MUSEUM, WE TALKED ABOUT STATISTICS.

SO MANY IN PHOENIX HAVE NEVER MET A NATIVE AMERICAN.

48% OF AMERICANS SAY THEY DON'T THINK NATIVES EXIST TODAY.

SO THIS IS A CHANCE TO REALLY COME DOWN.

WE ARE INVISIBLE, AND WE'RE INVISIBLE IN OUR OWN LAND, AND SO TO BE ABLE TO BE A PART OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S DAY AND COME TO THE HEARD MUSEUM, NOT ONLY WILL YOU BE ABLE TO PARTAKE IN SPECIFIC ACTIVITIES BUT YOU CAN SEE WONDERFUL EXHIBITS.

THIS IS A EXHIBIT OF JERRY'S PHOTOS, HE DOCUMENTED SO MANY WELL-KNOWN NATIVE ARTISTS, BACK 20, 25 YEARS AGO, IT'S WONDERFUL TO SEE HOW THEY AGED AND THE ART CHANGED.

WE HAVE 15+ GALLERIES, SO MANY WONDERFUL ART EXHIBITS TO COME AND SEE.

TED: MARCUS, AS SOMEONE WHO THOUGHT YOU WERE INVISIBLE AND DIDN'T KNOW THE HEARD MUSEUM EXISTED.

IN 15, 20 SECONDS, WHAT WOULD BE THE ELEVATOR DESCRIPTION?

>> SITUATED IN DOWNTOWN PHOENIX, IT FOCUSES ON AMERICAN INDIAN ART AND CULTURE, CELEBRATES THAT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WITH DIFFERENT EVENTS.

HOOP DANCE, VETERANS DAY COMING UP.

THEY'RE CELEBRATING NATIVE CULTURE AND ART.

TED: AND INDIGENOUS PEOPLE DAY ON OCTOBER 13.

PATTY, MARCUS, GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> THANK YOU.

TED: THANK YOU.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.