>> COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON:>> WE'LL LOOK INTO REPORTS OF IMMIGRATION STOPS TARGETING MEMBERS OF THE NAVAJO NATION.

ALSO TONIGHT: NEW RESEARCH CONNECTS SOME ALZHEIMER'S PATIENTS TO A COMMON INTESTINAL VIRUS.AND, A NEW BOOK EXPLORES HOW CHILDHOOD TRAUMA AND NEGLECT CAN LEAD TO A LIFE OF INCARCERATION.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE, NEXT, ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

>>> ARIZONA HORIZON MADE POSSIBLE BY CONTRIBUTIONS OF YOUR FRIENDS OF PBS.

>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THE U.S. REACHED AGREEMENTS TODAY WITH MEXICO AND CANADA, RESULTING IN PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYING THAT HE WOULD DELAY "TARIFFS" ON BOTH COUNTRIES FOR A MONTH.

THE AGREEMENT WITH CANADA INVOLVES INCREASING JOINT EFFORTS TO COMBAT, QUOTE, "ORGANIZED CRIME, FENTANYL AND MONEY LAUNDERING. "

THE AGREEMENT WITH MEXICO INCLUDES MEXICO POSITIONING 10-THOUSAND NATIONAL GUARD MEMBERS AT THE BORDER IN EXCHANGE FOR THE U.S.

PREVENTING HIGH-POWERED WEAPONS FROM BEING TRAFFICKED TO MEXICO.

HERE'S MEXICO'S PRESIDENT, CLAUDIA SHEINBAUM.

>> PRESIDENT TRUMP ASKED HOW LONG WE COULD PUT THE TARIFFS ON HOLD AND I SAID PERMANENTLY.

HE THEN ASKED, FOR HOW LONG?

>> I SAID LET'S PAUSE THEM FOR A MONTH AND I'M CONFIDENT WE WILL DELIVER RESULTS FOR HIS PEOPLE AND MEXICO.

>> TARIFFS ON CHINA ARE STILL STILL SET TO TAKE EFFECT AT MIDNIGHT TONIGHT, THOUGH PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS THAT HE EXPECTS TO SPEAK WITH CHINA'S LEADER, XI-JINPING, IN THE NEXT 24- HOURS.MOST ECONOMISTS FORECAST HIGHER PRICES SHOULD THE PRESIDENT'S TARIFFS ON MEXICO, CANADA AND CHINA INDEED "DO" BECOME A REALITY.

EVERYTHING FROM FOOD AND DRINK TO ENERGY, LUMBER, ELECTRONICS AND TOYS WOULD BECOME MORE EXPENSIVE IF THE PRESIDENT FOLLOWS THROUGH ON HIS TARIFF THREATS.THOSE INCREASED PRICES ARE AMONG THE REASONS THAT ARIZONA SENATOR MARK KELLY TOLD NBC'S MEET THE PRESS THAT TARIFFS AND THREATS OF TARIFFS ARE NOT THE WAY TO GET THINGS DONE.

>> IT WILL RAISE PRICES FOR AMERICAN CONSUMERS, WE SAW THIS IN MISFIRST ADMINISTRATION IN ARIZONA.

WE WERE IN A TRADE WAR WITH CERTAIN THINGS FROM CHINA FOR COTTON PRODUCERS AND PECAN FARMERS.

IT HURT THEIR BUSINESSES.

BEYOND THIS IT WILL HURT AMERICAN FAMILIES.

>> SECRETARY OF STATE MARCO RUBIO IS THE ACTING DIRECTOR FOR THE AGENCY OF INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT.

A LONG TIME HUMANITARIAN AGENCY CREATED BY CONGRESS AS AN INDEPENDENT BODY.

MANY OFFICIALS WERE PUT-ON LEAVE BY ELON MUSK THAT'S DESIGNATED A PRESIDENTIAL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE OF THE WHITE HOUSE TO HELP OVERHAUL THE GOVERNMENT.

MANY ARE FIGHTING THE IDEA THAT MUSK HAS A SAY IN ANY OF THIS.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS INTENTIONS ARE OR MOTIVATIONS ARE.

I EAT NOT SURE OF HIS PURPOSES BUT THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WHAT'S BUT LAWFULLY ADOPTED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THROUGH THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES.

WE WILL DEFEND U.S. AID ALL OF THE WAY.

US-AID DISPENSES BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN HUMANITARIAN AID AND DEVELOPMENT FUNDING EVERY YEAR.

BUT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS SAID THAT US-AID IS, QUOTE, "RUN BY RADICAL LUNATICS.

THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S EXECUTIVE ORDER TARGETING THE DEPORTATION OF IMMIGRANTS IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY HAS REPORTEDLY RESULTED IN SOME MEMBERS OF THE NAVAJO NATION BEING DETAINED AND QUESTIONED BY IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT.

TO LEARN MORE, WE WELCOME DEB KROL, SHE'S THE INDIGENOUS AFFAIRS REPORTER AT THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC AND AZCENTRAL.COM.

WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

WE ONLY HAVE TWO REPORTERS, CORRECT.

>> WE ARE THE LARGEST NEWS DESK.

>> WHAT HAVE YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THE NAVAJO NATION.

AT LEAST 15 WERE STOPPED.

WHAT DO WHICH MAKE OF THESE REPORTS?

>> THE SPEAKER OF THE NA HO NATION REPORTED SOME VERIFIED REPORTS THERE ARE NAVAJO NATION CITIZENS THAT HAVE BEEN PULLED OVER, DETAINED, QUESTIONED BY ICE.

SUSPECTED OF BEING CRIMINALS IN THE COUNTRY HERE.

ALL OF THE CASES IT SEEMS LIKE THEY WERE QUESTIONED AND RELEASED.

THERE IS MORE SPECULATION GOING ON IN SOCIAL MEDIA.

MY NEPHEW AND NIECE WAS PULLED IN.

IT'S BECOME A SOCIAL MEDIA SINCE SESSION THE ONLY VERIFIED REPORTS WE HAVE ARE WHAT THEY HAVE REPORTED.

>> WHERE ARE THEY DETAINED?

HOMES, BUSINESSES, WHERE?

>> THEY ARE ON THE STREETS.

SOME OF THEM WHO THEY SAY WERE PICKED UP IN NEW MEXICO THAT'S A BORDER TOWN.

SOME ARE DOWN HERE IN THE PHOENIX AREA.

DURING THE WEEPS.

MOST LIKELY SCENARIO IS THAT THEY WERE SUSPECTED OR ACCIDENTLY SUSPECTED OF BEING ILLEGAL.

>> WHAT DOES THE LAW SAY ABOUT YOU DOING THESE TYPES OF STOPS ON TRIBAL LAND.

>> IT DEPENDS.

IF THEY ARE ON A STATE HIGHWAY, YOU KNOW, THE STATE OF ARIZONA SECURED EASEMENTS WHERE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS CAN PULL PEOPLE OVER.

IT'S LIKE DPS OR WHAT THEY CALL A CROSS DEPUTIZATION AGREEMENT.

IT HAS TO BE IN CERTAIN AREAS WHERE IT'S THE EASEMENT IN PLACE.

TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE NONE OF THESE HAVE TAKEN PLACE ON TRIBAL LAND.

THEY ARE IN FOREIGN CITIES OR PARTS NOT PART OF THE NAVAJO TRUSTED LAND.

>> RESPONSE FROM THE COMMUNITIES?

>> WE HAVE HEARD FROM SOME COMMUNITIES THAT ARE PROACTIVE.

THEY ENCOURAGE MEMBERS TO CARRY THEIR TRIBAL ID.

HAVE AN ENHANCED STATE ID ON THEM.

IF THEY HAVE A PASS ABORT, BRING THOSE.

ALSO TRIBAL CITIZENS; >> I READ A CERTIFICATE OF INDIAN BLOOD IS RECOMMENDED.

WHAT IS THAT?

>> THAT'S THE CERTIFICATE ISSUED BY THE BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS TO MEMBERS OF TRIBES WHO ARE ALL READY ENROLLED OR ELIGIBLE TO BE ENROLLED IN A TRIBE.

IT'S BASICALLY PROOF YOU HAVE INDIAN BLOOD IN A TRIBAL COMMUNITY.

IT'S RECOMMENDED YOU CARRY THESE THINGS.

>> I CARRY MINE?

>> IS THAT A LEGAL FORM OF IDENTIFICATION?

>> IT IS NOT LEGAL FORM OF ID BUT A BACK-UP IN CASE THEY DON'T WANT TO TAKE YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE.

MANY DON'T HAVE OFFICIAL TRIBAL IDs YESTERDAY.

THEY ARE WORKING TO GET THAT CORRECTED AS FAST AS THEY CAN.

MANY DON'T ACTUALLY LIVE-IN THE NAVAJO NATION.

THEY ARE WORKING HARD TO GET THAT RECTIFIED.

IF THEY HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF INDIAN BLOOD.

AT LEAST THAT WILL BE SOME SORT OF BACK-UP.

>> AGAIN, I MEAN, WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE BEING STOPPED, DETAINED, AND QUESTIONED.

DO WE KNOW WHY?

IS IT APPEARANCE, ACTIVITY?

WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> SOME SAY IT'S APPEARANCE.

SOME SAY THEY WILL HAVE A TAILLIGHT OUT OR MADE AN E ILLEGAL LEFT TURN.

THESE ARE A LOT OF THE SAME TACTICS THAT JOE DID WHEN HE DID SWEEPS AND THEY WERE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

IT SEEMS ONLY HAPPENING OFFICIALLY TO NAVAJOS.

WE HAVE NOT HEARD OF IT HAPPENING TO MEMBERS OF OTHER TRIBES.

>> THAT'S INTERESTING.

WHY IS THAT?

>> A LOT OF IT IS THEY DON'T CARRY THE TRIBAL ID WITH THEM.

THEY NEED THE VERIFICATION.

>> WHERE DOES ALL OF THIS GO.

IS THE LEGISLATURE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS.

CAN THEY DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS?

>> THIS IS A FEDERAL ISSUE.

THE FED WILL HAVE TO RESOLVE THIS, YOU KNOW.

THE TRIBES HAD BEEN STARTING TO SET FORWARD NOT ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE BUT ON OTHER ISSUES.

THIS WAS BY 250 SOMETHING YEARS OF INDIAN LAW.

>> IT COULD BE VERY WELL THAT TRIBES NEED TO WORK WITH ICE OR BORDER ADMINISTRATION.

>> DEB, ARIZONA REPUBLIC AND AZ CENTRAL.COM.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON.

>>> RESEARCHERS BELIEVE THAT THEY'VE FOUND A SUB-TYPE OF ALZHEIMER'S CONNECTED TO A LINGERING GUT INFECTION CAUSED BY A COMMON VIRUS.

DR. BEN READHEAD IS WITH THE ASU- BANNER NEURO-DEGENERATIVE DISEASE RESEARCH CENTER.

THAT'S A MOUTH FULL.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> A CHRONIC INTESTINAL INFECTION IN SOME FOLKS COULD LEAD TO ALZHEIMER'S.

>> MORE STUDIES NEED TO BE DONE.

IN A SUBSET OF PATIENTS WITHOUT ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE.

CHRONIC HERPES VIRUS.

ONCE IT GETS TO THE BRAIN IT WILL TWIST THINS.

>> HOW COMMON IS THIS?

>> VERY COMMON.

WE COME IN CONTACT WITH HCMV.

BY THE TIME WE ARE 80 YEARS OLD.

80% OF PEOPLE WILL HAVE ANTIBODY EVIDENCE OF HCMV.

>> ANTIBODY EVIDENCE IS ONE THING.

BEING IN YOUR GUT AND WAITING FOR IT TO MOVE TO THE BRAIN IS ANOTHER.

>> YEAH, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT.

WE THINK WE ALL COME INTO CONTACT WITH IT.

THERE ARE ADDITIONAL FACTORS WHY IT IS THIS VIRUS SETS UP A CHRONIC INNEXT IN THE GUT.

WE THINK THERE IS A FAILURE OF IMMUNITY HAPPENING IN THE GUT.

UNDERSTANDING THAT IS GOING TO BE THE IMPORT TAN PART FOR UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S GOING ON.

>> HOW DOES IT GET FROM THE GUT UP TO THE BRAIN A AND WHY DOES IT DO THE DAMAGE IT DOES FOR SOME FOLKS?

>> WE ARE DOING ADDITIONAL STUDIES.

ONE THING WE DO SEE IS EVIDENCE THE VIRUS IN THE VEGAS NERVE, IT'S AN INFORMATIONAL SUPER HIGHWAY IT'S GOING UP TO THE BRAIN AND COMING DOWN TO REGULATE ALL SORTS OF BODILY FUNCTIONS.

WE LOOK INSIDE THE NERVE.

TISSUE SAMPLES FROM THE SAME PEOPLE THAT SAW THE VIRUS THERE.

IT'S CONSISTENT WITH IT TRAVELING THROUGH.

>> WHEN IT'S UP THERE.

DOES IT ALWAYS CHANGE THE IMMUNE SYSTEM?

>> WE ARE UNSURE.

IN THE COHORT WE STUDIED, THAT WAS AN ARIZONAN COHORT.

WE SAW IN THE PATIENTS THAT FELL INTO THE SUBSET, WE HAD MORE SEVERE AMYLOID TANGLES.

WE HAVE DONE SOME STUDIES WHERE WE LOOK AT MICROSCOPIC BRAIN IN THE SYSTEMS.

WHEN WE LOOK AT HCMV, WE SEE IT ACCELERATES THE PRODUCTION OF THE PROTEINS.

A CLUE IT'S PLAUSIBLE.

>> WHY IT'S DOING?

>> THERE IS A BIT OF A HISTORY.

THE IDEA OF MYOCORROBORATES CONTRIBUTING.

ONE OF THE REALLY FASCINATING HYPOTHESIS IS THE IDEA THAT THESE PROTEINS, ONE OF THE FUNCTIONS IS ACTUALLY AN IMMUNE RESPONSE AGAINST INVADING PATHOGENS.

THEY ARE GOOD AT MESHING PATHOGENS.

YOU KNOW, ONE IDEA IS YOU GO THROUGH A PROCESS LIKE THAT AND THE COMPOUNDING YOU PAID IS NEURO DEGENERATION.

IT'S COLLATERAL DAMAGE AS A RESULT OF THE PROCESS.

>> INTERESTING, 25 TO 45 PERCENT OF THE SUBSET.

>> WE NEED TO DO ADDITIONAL STUDIES THIS FELL INTO THESE GROUPS.

WE THINK, IT'S A SIZABLE MINORITY OF ALZHEIMER'S PATIENTS.

>> FOR THOSE WATCHING, HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IF YOU MIGHT BENEFIT FROM KNOWING ABOUT THIS AND DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THIS HCMV BEFORE IT STARTS ON THE PATH?

>> WE ARE TRYING TO WORKOUT THIS VERY QUESTION.

ONE THING WE'D LIKE TO DO IS RUN A CLINICAL TRIAL TO SEE IF THERE ARE REPURPOSABLE DRUGS LIKE ANTI-VIRALS.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO THAT IS A GOOD BIOMARKER AND IDENTIFY THESE PATIENTS WHEN THEY COME MANY THE CLINIC.

WE ARE TRYING TO DEVELOP A BLOOD TEST.

GIVE THEM A BLOOD TEST WHERE YOU ARE IN IT OR IF YOU ARE PARTICIPATE IN A TRIAL.

WE DON'T KNOW IF THE INTERVENTION IS HELPFUL.

>> THE IDEA OF ANTIVIRAL MEDICATIONS HELPING WITH ALZHEIMER'S IS STUNNING.

>> YEAH, IT'S EXCITING.

>> GREAT INFORMATION.

I HAVE TO ASK ABOUT YOUR PEN.

WHAT DOES IT STAND FOR?

>> MY YOUNGER BROTHER MADE THIS FOR ME.

IT'S MY GRANDFATHER'S INITIALS.

HE PASSED AWAY WITH ALZHEIMER'S.

HE'S A PERSON MAL FACE I PUT WITH THE DISEASE.

>> GOOD FOR YOU AND I'M SURE HE'S PROUD OF YOU.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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>>> A NEW BOOK COLLECTS FIRST-PERSON NARRATIVES OF INCARCERATED MEN TO EXPLORE HOW CHILDHOOD TRAUMA CAN "LEAD" TO A LIFE OF INCARCERATION.THE BOOK IS TITLED, "IMPRISONED MINDS: LOST BOYS, TRAPPED MEN, AND SOLUTIONS FROM WITHIN THE PRISON. "

KEVIN WRIGHT IS THE COAUTHOR.

YOU ARE THE COAUTHOR HERE BECAUSE YOUR OTHER AUTHOR, WE CAN'T BRING HIM IN THE STUDIO.

>> ERIC IS INCARCERATED.

>> WHY THAT TITLE OF IMPRISONED MINDS?

>> IT'S A MINDSET WHERE YOU SHUTOFF OTHER PEOPLE IN YOUR LIFE.

IT STARTS VERY EARLY ON.

AS A KID YOU EXPERIENCE ABUSE OR NEGLECT.

YOU START TO LEARN PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT ME AND YOU THINK, WHY DO I CARE ABOUT OTHERS.

YOU START TO ACTING IN WAYS IN WHICH YOU SHUTOFF PEOPLE IN YOUR LIFE AND THINK ABOUT YOURSELVES.

OFTENTIMES IT'S OUT OF SURVIVAL.

PEOPLE START TO GIVE UP ON YOU.

YOU BURN YOUR BRIDGES.

GET KICKED OUT OF SCHOOLS AND IT'S THE DECISIONS THAT MAKE YOU TRAPPED.

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING THE IDEA THIS TRAUMA CAN SET PEOPLE ON THE WRONG PATH AND LOOKING FOR TEMPORARY RELIEF AND HOW THAT EFFECTS THEIR MINDSET.

TALK TO US ABOUT THAT.

>> IDEALLY, YOU TOEHOLDY COPING.

YOU FIND OUTLETS AND UP THE PORT THAT ADDRESSES THE DRAMA.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE AVAILABLE FOR YOU.

SEEK IMMEDIATE GRADDIFICATION THEY MIGHT HAVE THE SAME MINDSET AND PUT YOU ON THE LONG-TERM PATH WAY.

>> YOU BOTH SPOKE TO FOLKS INCARCERATED.

THE FIRST PERSON NARRATIVES.

WHY WERE THEY CHOSEN.

>> ERIC IS INCOURSE RATED FOR LIFE.

IT'S HIS IDEA TO PUSH THAT IDEA FORWARD AND WRITE ABOUT THIS.

HE PICKED THE GUYS.

THEY ARE INCARCERATED ALONGSIDE HIM.

HE KNOWS IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THIS MINDSET.

IT WAS HIS WISDOM AND LIVED EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE SAYING THIS STORY NEEDS TO BE TOLD.

>> IT'S COMMITTING CRIMES THAT HABITUAL.

DID EVERYONE HAVE A SIMILAR STRAND WITHIN.

>> AGAIN, IT'S HAVING THE STUFF HAPPEN EARLY ON AND PEOPLE THERE FOR YOU.

SO, THE STORIES MIGHT BE DIFFERENT.

THERE ARE PEOPLE ABANDONED BY THEIR PARENTS CAUGHT UP IN ADDICTION.

THE ORIGIN ARE THE SAME.

>> WAS ERIC ABLE TO GET THINGTIONS YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO GET.

PEOPLE WOULD BE SUSPENSIONCIOUS.

ERR ARE KICK BREAK THAT DOWN.

HE KNOWS THESE GUYS AND STORIES AND THE LANGUAGE.

HE HAD A PRISON MINDSET HIMSELF AND GOT TO THE OTHER SIDE.

>> HOW DID HE GET THROUGH THAT?

>> HAVING OPPORTUNITIES ON THE INSIDE.

A BIG PART IS EXPERIENCE INCARCERATIONS AND THINKING ABOUT THE DECISIONS HE MADE.

I SELFISHLY HOPE OUR ASU PRESIDENT SENSE AND CLASS OPPORTUNITIES LATER IN LIFE THAT MAYBE HE DIDN'T HAVE LATER ON.

>> THE MEN HE SPOKE TO, WERE THERE LIGHTBULBS GOING OFF OR MIGHT HAVE BEEN CORRECTING THEMSELVES?

THE MEANTIME?

>> I AM NOT SURE ABOUT LIGHTBULBS BUT IT WAS THERAPEUTIC.

ERIC SAID THESE ARE THERAPEUTIC INTERVIEWS.

>> WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TEMPORARY RELIEF BECOMING A PROBLEM AND THE CYCLE REPEATS.

HOW DO YOU REVERSE THE CYCLE.

FOR SOMEONE NOT QUITE THERE OR YOUNG PERSON EXPERIENCING TRAUMA AND ABUSE.

HOW DO YOU CHANGE THE PAST.

>> I LOVE THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT THE YOUNG PEOPLE.

WE SPOKE ABOUT THE LOST BOYS.

WHAT IS REMARKABLE.

PEOPLE THAT ARE SCHOOLTEACHERS THEY SAY THESE ARE MY KIDS.

I SEE IT EVERY SINGLE DAY.

IT'S VALIDATING I COULD BE THE DIFFERENCE IN THIS PERSONS LIFE.

FOR THE LOST BOYS, THE YOUNG KIDS, THERE IS A PREVENTION COMPONENT.

ESPECIALLY IF THEY GO THROUGH A DIFFICULT THING.

GUYS INCARCERATED RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.

WE IMPOWER THEM TO SEE A DIFFERENT FUTURE.

IT'S NOT A HEALTH SPECIALIST GOING IN BUT HELPING THEM UNDERSTAND HOW TO BREAK FREE FROM THAT IMPRISONED MIND.

>> THE IDEA OF THE IMPRISONED MIND AND BREAKING FREE OF THAT.

DOES IT FLY IN THE FACE OF A PRACTICE REGAARDING IDEAS OF INCARCERATION.

HOW DO YOU NOT BECOME A REPEAT OFFENDER.

>> WE WONDER HOW PEOPLE GET IN THERE.

THESE ARE THE STORIES TOLD WHEN SOMEONE ELSE IS INCARCERATED I PUT THIS BOOK DOWN BECAUSE OF THE TRAUMA PEOPLE ARE EXSUPERRANCING.

WE MIGHT SIGH, THE PRESENCE STIMULI.

THEY SEE THE PEOPLE BEHIND THESE EXPERIENCES.

>> YOU CAN'T CODDLE CRIMINALS AND THERE IS A VICTIM FOR EVERYONE.

>> I'D SAY VICTIMS WANT A DIFFERENT SYSTEM.

MOST OF THEM WANT TWO THINGS.

PEOPLE TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND THEIR LOVED ONES.

IF WE LOOK AT OUR CURRENT SYSTEM NOW, WE ARE LOCKING PEOPLE AWAY FOR MANY YEARS JUST TO ROT.

ARE THEY HELD ACCOUNTABLE IN ANY WAY.

ARE THEY GIVING BACK TO SOCIETY?

ARE THEY MAKING THIS SO IT WON'T HAPPEN TO ANYONE ELSE.

THEY WANT A DIFFERENT SYSTEM AND THEY LEAVE BETTER THAN THE ARRIVAL.

>> KEVIN IS HERE AND IT'S GOOD.

CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS.

IT MUST BE QUITE REWARDING.

>> IT IS.

THANK YOU.

>> THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMON.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

HAVE A GREAT