>> TED: COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, THE IMPACT OF RFK'S CONFIRMATION AS THE HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, AND A NOMINATION FOR THE JAMES BEARD AWARD.

AND A NEW EXHIBIT FEATURE AS FAMOUS PHOTOGRAPHER'S PORTRAITS OF ICONIC AMERICAN INDIAN ARTISTS.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

>> TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON, I'M TED SIMONS.

A NEW SUIT SEEKS A TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER TO BLOCK THE ACTIONS OF MUSK'S DEPARTMENT OF GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY AS WELL AS ROLLBACK ACTION PREVIOUSLY TAKEN BY THE DEPARTMENT, WHICH THE SUIT CLAIMS ISN'T A FEDERAL DEPARTMENT MATTER BECAUSE IT NEVER RECEIVED CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL.

OTHER HEADLINES... PRESIDENT TRUMP TODAY ORDERED FEDERAL AGENCIES TO WORK OUT A PLAN FOR NEW RECIPROCAL TARIFFS THAT COULD IGNITE A GLOBAL TRAD WAR AND ADD TO U.S. INFLATION CONCERNS.

THE PRESIDENT SAYS HE WANTS NEW TRADE BARRIERS INCLUDING THE KINDS OF TAXES AND TARIFFS THAT OTHER COUNTRIES CHARGE THE U.S. TO BE PUT IN PLACE TO STOP OTHE COUNTRIES FROM QUOTE, "TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE UNITED STATES.

THE PRESIDENT ALSO EMPHASIZED THAT, QUOTE, "IF YOU BUILD YOUR PRODUCT IN THE U.S., THERE ARE NO TARIFFS."

OTHER HEADLINES: VACCINE-SKEPTI ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR. IS THE NATION'S NEW SECRETARY OF HEALT AND HUMAN SERVICES.

KENNEDY, WH IS NEITHER A DOCTOR, A NURSE NO A HEALTH OFFICIAL, WAS NONETHELESS CONFIRMED WITH THE SUPPORT OF EVERY REPUBLICAN, EXCEPT FOR FORMER MAJORITY LEADER MITCH MCONNELL, WHO OVERCAME POLIO AT A YOUNG AGE.

MCCONNEL'S VOTE PROMPTED "THIS" REACTION FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP.

>> I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HE AND POLIO.

>> ARE YOU DOUBTING HE HAD POLIO?

>> I HAVE NO IDEA IF HE HAD POLIO.

ALL I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT HIM IS HE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN LEADER.

HE KNOWS THAT.

HE VOTED AGAINST ALMOST EVERYTHING.

HE'S A VERY BITTER GUY.

>> WE WILL HAVE MORE ON THE RAMIFICATIONS OF TODAY'S CONFIRMATION IN JUST A MOMENT.

OTHER HEADLINES: MEXICAN PRESIDENT CLAUDIA SHEINBAUM SAY THAT HER COUNTRY MAY SUE GOOGLE OVER THE TECH GIANT CHANGING IT MAPS TO SAY "THE GULF OF AMERICA" INSTEAD OF THE GULF OF MEXICO.

THAT MOVE BY GOOGLE WAS MADE AFTER AN EXECUTIVE ORDER FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP.

SHEINBAUM SAYS THAT MEXICO HAS SOVEREIGNTY OVER ITS TERRITORIAL WATERS AND EXPECTS GOOGLE TO COMMIT TO INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED GEOGRAPHICAL NAMES.

THE ARIZONA COURT OF APPEALS TODAY OVERTURNED A LOWER COURT RULING THAT ORDERED REPUBLICAN ELECTED OFFICIALS, WHO FILED A FAILED DEFAMATION SUIT, TO PAY ATTORNEYS FEES OF THE DEFENDANT FORMER DEMOCRATIC STATE LAWMAKER CHARLENE FERNANDEZ.

MARK FINCHEM, ANTHONY KERN AND CONGRESSMAN PAUL GOSAR CLAIMED THAT THEY WERE DEFAMED WHEN FERNANDEZ ASKED LAW ENFORCEMENT TO INVESTIGATE THE THREE REPUBLICANS AFTER THE JANUARY 6TH INSURRECTION.

THE LAWSUIT WAS DISMISSED AND 75,000 DOLLARS IN FEES WERE ASSESSED, BUT TODAY THE STATE COURT APPEALS RULED THAT THE DEFAMATION CLAIM WAS FAIRLY DEBATABLE, AND THUS, NO SANCTIONS.

AND, A SCIENCE NOTE: ASTRONMERS HAVE DISCOVERED THE LARGEST RADIO-JET OF ITS KIND.

RADIO-JETS ARE QUASARS THAT EXPEL JETS OF ENERGETIC MATTER.

THE JETS WERE RELEASED NOT LONG AFTER THE BIG BANG AND CAN BE HARD TO FIND.

THIS ONE IS TWICE THE WIDTH OF OUR MILKY WAY GALAXY AND AT LEAST 12 BILLION YEARS OLD.

AS WE MENTIONED, ROBERT F KENNEDY JUNIOR IS THE NATION'S NEW HEALTH SECRETARY, THAT DESPITE CONCERNS OVER HIS QUALIFICATIONS AND SKEPTICISM OF ACCEPTABLE MEDICAL PRACTICES INCLUDING VACCINATIONS.

JOINING US NOW IS WILL HUMBLE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE ARIZONA PUBLIC HEALTH ASSOCIATION.

WILL, ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> HELLO, TED.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TODAY?

>> I WASN'T SURPRISED BUT I AM DISAPPOINTED.

I THOUGHT MAYBE THERE WOULD BE A FEW REPUBLICAN SENATORS THAT WOULD UNDERSTAND A GENTLEMAN LIKE THIS DOESN'T BELONG IN CHARGE OF AN AGENCY THAT CONTROLS 30% OF THE FEDERAL BUDGET WHEN HE DOESN'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE, BUT MOREOVER DOESN'T HAVE A COMMITMENT TO USING EVIDENCE TO DRIVE DECISION-MAKING.

AND THAT'S MY FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM WITH THE MAN.

>> THE IMPACT JUST IN GENERAL ON VACCINATION EFFORTS IN THIS COUNTRY.

>> WELL, HE'S GONNA -- HE IS NOW IN CONTROL OF BASICALLY ALL VACCINATION POLICY IN THE COUNTRY.

WHETHER IT'S MEDICARE, MEDICAID AND VACCINES FOR CHILDREN PROGRAMS IN THE U.S., WHICH IS THE PRIMARY MECHANISM -- OR A PRIMARY MECHANISM FOR GETTING KIDS VACCINATED.

SO HIS COMMITMENT TO -- WELL, HE SAID HE'S ANTI-EVACUATION MANY TIMES.

HE'S WALKED THAT BACK IN THE LAST FEW DAYS AS HE MET WITH SOME SENATORS.

BUT HE HAS A LONG TRACK RECORD OF BEING AGAINST VACCINES.

SO I EXPECT -- I MEAN, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO DE-LICENSE VACCINES AND WHAT HE COULD DO IS CHANGE REIMBURSEMENT RATES TO MAKE IT SO IT'S UNAFFORDABLE FOR PHYSICIAN'S OFFICES TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE THOSE VACCINES.

>> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THINGS LIKE MEASLES, MUMPS, RUBELLA, POLIO?

>> AS VACCINATION RATES DECLINE, THOSE VACCINE PREVENTABLE DISEASES ARE MORE AND MORE LIKELY TO COME BACK.

WE SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN TEXAS THERE'S A PRETTY SIZABLE MEASLES OUTBREAK.

WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE OF THAT AS VACCINATION RATES DECLINE.

I'M SPECULATING BASED ON WHAT I THINK HIS POLICIES WILL BE, AND -- BUT I DON'T THINK BODES WELL FOR CHILDHOOD IMMUNIZATION RATES, WHICH MEANS MORE LIKELY OUTBREAKS LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

>> OTHER ASPECTS OF HIS IDEAS, HE BELIEVES ADDITIVES TO FOOD CAUSE CHRONIC DISEASES.

DOES HE GOT SOMETHING THERE?

>> I DO THINK WE DO NEED TO PAY MORE ATTENTION TO SCRUTINIZING SOME OF THESE ADDITIVES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE FDA.

HE'S IN CHARGE OF THE FDA, TOO, WHICH IS MOST PEOPLE THINK OF DRUGS AND MEDICAL DEVICE, BUT ALSO FOOD SAFETY IS IN THERE AS WELL.

SO I DO THINK THAT WE COULD USE MORE SCRUTINY ON SOME OF THE ADDITIVES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND LOOK AT THE EPIDEMIOLOGY AROUND SOME OF THOSE, LIKE THE EUROPEANS HAVE BEEN DOING.

THE EPIDEMIOLOGY THAT THE EUROPEANS HAVE BEEN DOING.

SO IN THAT RESPECT, HE MAYBE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

>> HE THINKS THE U.S. SPENDS TOO MUCH TIME AND MONEY ON INFECTIOUS DISEASES, AND THAT ALLOWS CHRONIC DISEASE TO GROW AND DEVELOP.

>> WELL, WE DO NEED MORE RESEARCH ON CHRONIC DISEASES AROUND OBESITY, DIABETES.

WE KNOW A LOT ABOUT WHAT CAUSES THOSE THINGS, MUCH OF IT IS RELATED TO THE SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH, BUT WE COULD ALWAYS USE MORE RESEARCH IN CHRONIC DISEASES.

I MEAN, THE CHRONIC DISEASES ARE A MAJOR KILLER OF AMERICANS, ESPECIALLY OLDER ONES.

AND SO I'M NOT AGAINST THAT HE PRINCIPLE EITHER, BUT LIKE I SAID, MY PROBLEM IS THAT HE DOESN'T TEND TO USE EVIDENCE TO DRIVE HIS DECISION MAKING.

>> LET'S GO FURTHER ON THE LEDGE HERE.

HE BELIEVES, APPARENTLY, THAT DOCTORS, HOSPITALS, DRUG-MAKERS CONSPIRE TO MAKE PEOPLE SICK.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE.

I MEAN, HE MAY BELIEVE THAT.

I WOULD ASK HIM, WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE THAT THAT'S THE CASE, MR. KENNEDY?

HE'S A LAWYER, AT LEAST.

>> YES.

>> BUT THAT'S THE THING WITH, ALL OF THESE, WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE?

>> WITH THAT IN MILD, THOUGH, THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, THE AMERICAN ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS, CRICKETS.

WE'RE NOT SEEING THEM COMING OUT AND SAYING MUCH OF ANYTHING ABOUT THIS NOMINATION.

>> I KNOW.

I WAS REALLY DISAPPOINTED TO SEE THAT.

THE AMERICAN OF ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS, OF ALL OF THE ORGANIZATIONS, I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED THEM.

NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR BOARD OF DIRECTORS, WHAT THEIR REASONING WAS, ACTUALLY PRETTY DISAPPOINTING.

MAYBE THEY'RE AFRAID OF RETALIATION IN SOME WAY.

>> WELL, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THAT GOES ON IN A VARIETY OF WAYS.

LET'S TALK ABOUT ALL OF THIS HAPPENING WITH CUTS TO THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH.

NIH FUNDING.

TALK ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT THAT FUNDING IS TO RESEARCH, ESPECIALLY HERE IN ARIZONA.

>> WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE HAVE THE MEDICAL AND PUBLIC HEALTH ADVANCES COME IN THE LAST 50 YEARS, THE MAJORITY OF IT HAS COME OUT OF NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH RESEARCH FUNDING.

AND SO YOU'VE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THIS IDEA OF CUTTING WAY BACK ON THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING FOR THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH GRANT PROGRAM, BUT THERE'S A WORSE PART, WHICH ISN'T GETTING AS MUCH ATTENTION AS IT SHOULD BE GETTING, WHICH IS NIH WILL BE DRIVING RESEARCH AWAY FROM THINGS LIKE HEALTH DISPARITY RESEARCH, WHICH IS A PRINCIPLE YOU NEED TO INCORPORATE INTO THE RESEARCH IN ORDER ACHIEVE BETTER HEALTH EQUITY.

SO GRANT APPLICATIONS THAT USE THE WORD "EQUITY" FOR EXAMPLE, WILL BE DISQUALIFIED AUTOMATICALLY.

WELL, THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE RESEARCH AWAY FROM HEALTH DISPARITIES AND HEALTH EQUITY, THE TWO AREAS THAT YOU NEED DO MORE RESEARCH ON SO THAT YOU CAN DEVELOP MEDICATIONS, DRUGS, AND MEDICAL DEVICES TO REALLY IMPROVE HEALTH STATUS.

>> YOU CAN DO THAT RESEARCH WITHOUT USING THOSE MAGIC WORDS?

>> WELL YOU'D HAVE TO HIDE IT REALLY WELL.

>> LAST QUESTION HERE.

I MEAN, HE IS A DISRUPTER.

I MEAN, HE'S PROUD OF BEING A DISRUPTER.

HE'S IN THE OFFICE -- I THINK HE WAS NOMINATED BECAUSE HE'S A DISRUPTER.

HIS BEING A DISRUPTER IN THIS PARTICULAR FIELD, IN THIS PARTICULAR ARENA NECESSARILY A BAD THING?

>> NO.

BUT IT'S A DISRUPTER WHO USES EVIDENCE TO DRIVE THEIR OPINIONS, AND NOW USE THE POWER OF THE STATE TO EXECUTE THOSE OPINIONS, THAT IS -- YOU CAN BE A DISRUPTER IN A GOOD WAY IF YOU'RE COMMITTED TO USING EVIDENCE TO DRIVE YOUR INTERVENTIONS, YOUR DISRUPTIVE INTERVENTIONS, BUT WHEN YOU DISREGARD EVIDENCE AND JUST DISRUPT FOR THE SAKE OF DISRUPTING, THAT'S WHAT'S DAMAGING.

>> ARE YOU CONFIDENT AT ALL RIGHT NOW AFTER WHAT HAPPENED TODAY ABOUT HEALTH IN AMERICA IN THE FUTURE?

>> WELL, AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, NO.

I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE SOME CONTINUED SETBACKS.

BUT AT THE STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL, I THINK HEALTH DEPARTMENTS WILL -- MEDICAID AGENCIES, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'RE RUN BY GOVERNORS THAT CARE ABOUT HEALTH EQUITY, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO IMPLEMENT IDEAS AND EVIDENCE-BASED PRACTICES TO HELP IMPROVE HEALTH EQUITY AND N THEIR STATES.

BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SEPARATION BETWEEN STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, I'M NOT ALL TOGETHER TOTALLY DESPONDENT.

>> ALL RIGHT, WELL, GOOD.

WE DON'T WANT YOU LEAVING HERE DESPONDENT.

WILL HUMBLE, ARIZONA MEDICAL HEALTH ASSOCIATION.

ALWAYS GOOD INFORMATION.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> MY PLEASURE.

THE 2025 JAMES BEARD NOMINATION ARE OUT, AND SEVERAL ARIZONA CHEFS ARE IN THE SPOTLIGHT.

THIS WEEK WE TALKED TO TWO OF NOMINEES FOR BEST CHEF IN THE SOUTHWEST: CHEF STEPHEN JONES OF THE LARDER AND THE DELTA AND CHEF DONALD HAWK OF VALENTINE.

GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND CONGRATULATIONS ON THE NOMINATION.

IT'S VERY NICE, VERY IMPRESSIVE BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR WITH THE JAMES BEARD AWARDS, STEPHEN, WE'LL START WITH YOU, WHAT ARE THE JAMES BEARD AWARDS?

>> THEY'VE BEEN DESCRIBED AS THE OSCARS OF THE CULINARY WORLD, AND YOU KNOW AT END OF THE DAY, IT'S REALLY A CELEBRATION OF BEING RECOGNIZED OUTSTANDING IN YOUR FIELD BY YOUR PEERS.

IT'S A MASSIVE HONOR.

IT'S THIS COUNTRY'S EQUIVALENT TO THE -- [ INDISCERNIBLE ] BUT IT'S WHAT EACH CHEF WANTS TO ACHIEVE, WANTS TO BE NOMINATED, AND THEN ULTIMATELY IF YOU ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO WIN, IT'S A BIG DEAL.

>> YEAH.

AND SAME FOR YOU.

I MEAN, YOU'VE BEEN DOMINATED HOW MANY TIMES?

>> FOUR.

>> THIS IS YOUR FIRST OR SECOND >> SECOND.

>> I THOUGHT HAD YOU ONE BEFORE IS IT A BIG DEAL?

IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A BIG DEAL.

>> IT IS A BIG DEAL.

FORTUNATE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT WHY WE DO IT.

WE DON'T COOK FOR AWARDS.

WE COOK BECAUSE WE TRULY LOVE IT, YOU KNOW.

IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO HEAR THAT KIND OF NEWS.

>> WITH THAT FIND THIS, WHY DO YOU THINK YOU WERE NOMINATED?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

I STILL DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW, WITH VERY A GREAT TEAM, YOU KNOW.

WE HAVE A RESTAURANT THAT'S BASED OFF THE HALLMARK -- NOT THE HALLMARK HOLIDAY BUT THE BIRTHPLACE OF ARIZONA AND KIND OF ALL OF THE TRADITIONS THAT WE HAVE THERE KIND OF WEAVE ITS WAY THROUGH IT, AND I THINK THEY FIND THAT VERY SPECIAL, AS MUCH AS WE LIKE TO SAY IT IS.

BUT I DON'T KNOW.

>> YEAH, BUT THERE'S A REASON.

YOU PROBABLY KNOW DEEP DOWN WHY YOU WERE NOMINATED.

WHY DO YOU THINK YOU WERE NOMINATED?

>> YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW BUT THIS IS WHAT I THINK.

I THINK THAT WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH, WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW, THE RESTAURANT HAS BEEN AROUND IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM FOR ABOUT ALMOST CONTINUE YEARS NOW, SO I THINK FOR US, IT'S ABOUT WATCHING WHAT WE STARTED TO WHERE WE ARE NOW, AND THAT JOURNEY.

I THINK PEOPLE DIG WHAT WE'RE DOING.

>> SO WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?

DESCRIBE YOUR FOOD FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN.

>> OUR FOOD NOW, IT'S EVOLVED FROM WHEN WE STARTED OUT AT DeSOTO CENTRAL MARKET TO NOW WE'VE TRULY FORMED WHAT I CALL A MAGISTRATION PROCESS.

WE WENT FROM ADOLESCENTS, TEENAGED YEARS, AND NOW WE'RE AN ADULT NOW.

WE MOVED INTO THE FINE DINING SPACE.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, SHARE WITH PEOPLE AND SHOW PEOPLE THAT SOUTHERN FOOD DOES EVOLVE IN FINE DINING, IT CAN BE DONE.

IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE TO BE WHAT'S DEEMED AS HEAVY OR WHAT'S DEEMED AS SOUL FOOD.

I LIKE TO TELL PEOPLE VEGETABLES GROW IN THE SOUTH.

WE DO LIKE TO SHINE A LIGHT ON THOSE THINGS AND TAKE PEOPLE ON A JOURNEY THROUGH THE SOUTH, THROUGH LOCAL ARIZONA PRODUCTS, PRODUCE AND RAISED CATTLE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE A GOOD TIME DOING IT.

>> DESCRIBE VALENTINE'S FOR US.

>> SO VALENTINE IS THE BIRTHDAY OF ARIZONA, FEBRUARY 14th, 1912.

IT'S THE BIRTHDAY OF ARIZONA.

IT'S KIND OF WHAT THE SPANISH HAS BROUGHT TO THE SOUTHWEST AND ALSO SOME OF THE NATIVE CUISINE THAT HAS BEEN HERE IN CULTURE AND ALSO THE MEXICAN CUISINE SOUTH OF US, AS WELL, AND KIND OF ALSO SPREADS TO THE UPPER PLATEAUS OF COLORADO AND CALIFORNIA.

BUT IT'S KIND OF THINGS THAT MAKE ARIZONA SPECIAL FROM EVERYWHERE ELSE.

>> YEAH.

INTERESTING.

AND WE SHOULD ALSO MENTION, YOU'RE A PASTRY -- YOUR PASTRY CHEF ALSO GOT A JAMES BEARD NOMINATION.

WHAT'S THAT ALL ABOUT.

>> IT'S HER THIRD TIME IN A ROW CRYSTAL, SHE DOES AN INCREDIBLE JOB.

VERY HONORED AND FORTUNATE TO BE NOMINATED ALONG WITH HER THIS YEAR.

>> YEAH.

IS THERE SOME THINGS -- WHAT MAKES HER A GOOD PASTRY CHEF?

>> BESIDES USING A LOT OF BUTTER IN HER CROISSANTS, THE WAY SHE FLAVORS AND HER TECHNIQUE ON WHAT SHE DOES AND KIND OF TRANCE ENDS ON WHAT SHE'S DOING.

>> WHAT MAKES A GOOD CHEF AND CONVERSELY WHAT MAKES A NOT SO GOOD CHEF?

>> I THINK WHAT MAKES A GOOD CHEF IS A CHEF THAT LICENSE.

THAT REMAINS HUMBLE, THAT UNDERSTANDS THAT WITH ANY DAY THAT PASSES HE OR SHE CAN LEARN FROM ANYONE IN THE BUILDING.

AND I THINK CONVERSELY ON THE OPPOSITE END, WHAT MAKES A NOT SO GOOD CHEF IS PEOPLE THAT DON'T LISTEN, PEOPLE THAT DON'T TRY TO EVOLVE, PEOPLE THAT DON'T TRY AND MAINTAIN HUMILITY AND UNDERSTAND ITS VALUE.

>> INTERESTING.

WHAT DO YOU THINK MAKES A GOOD CHEF?

>> I THINK BEING A LEADER.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST YOU.

YOU'RE TRACKING CARE OF EVERYTHING, AND BEING A LATER AND SAME THING AS CHEF SAID, YOU KNOW, PAYING ATTENTION, LEARNING FROM EVERYTHING AND EVERYWHERE AND JUST SEEING EVERYTHING.

CONVERSELY SOMEONE WHO IS NOT A GOOD LEADER IS NOT A GOOD CHEF, WHO DOESN'T LISTEN, WHO DOESN'T SAY GOODBYE AND IS VERY ARROGANT AND JUST DOESN'T GROW PEOPLE.

>> YOU SEE A LOT OF THAT IN THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY.

>> OH, YEAH.

EGO.

>> YEAH.

BEFORE WE, GO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ARIZONA.

AND WE'LL START WITH YOU.

ARE WE A DESTINATION POINT FOR FOODIES?

IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE KIND OF GONE UP AND DOWN ON THAT OVER THE YEARS.

HOW ARE WE DOING RIGHT NOW?

>> I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE STANDING PRETTY TALL.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE -- THERE WAS THE YEAR WHEN SHARLENE WON AND WE WERE LIKE HIGH, EVERYBODY IS PAYING ATTENTION TO ARIZONA, AND THEN THE PANDEMIC HAPPENED.

AND WIPED IT COMPLETELY OUT.

I THINK WE HAD TO RECOVER FROM THAT.

AND THEN HAVE YOU THIS BATCH OF YOUNG CHEFS THAT ARE COMING OUT, DOING SOME OUTRAGEOUS THINGS, IN A GOOD WAY.

AND I THINK THAT HAS SHOT SOME EXCITEMENT BACK INTO THE VALLEY.

YOU HAVE DIFFERENT CHEFS, DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING DIFFERENT THINGS, AND IT'S AMAZING.

WE'VE GOT SOME GUYS WHO HAVE BEEN NOMINATED ALL PUSHING THE BOUNDARIES, AND IT'S GREAT FOR US OLD GUYS.

>> AND GREAT FOR US OLD GUYS LIKE ME, TOO.

ARE WE A DESTINATION POINT?

AND IF SO, WHAT DO PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTRY THINK WHEN THEY THINK OF ARIZONA AND PHOENIX IN PARTICULAR RESTAURANTS?

>> I THINK WE'RE GETTING THERE.

I THINK WE'RE MUCH CLOSER THAN WE EVER HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW.

THE SOUTHWEST REGION, ESPECIALLY, WE HAVE SO MUCH -- OBVIOUSLY IT'S TOURIST SEASON RIGHT NOW WITH SPRING TRAINING AND YOU SEE EVERYONE COMING DOWN HERE, NOT JUST GOING TO SMALL LIKE STEAKHOUSES.

BUT EVERYONE'S COMING TO SMALL LOCAL RESTAURANTS NOW.

THEY'RE RESEARCHING AND SEEING THAT ARIZONA IS GETTING A LOT OF ATTENTION.

WHAT DO WE HAVE LIKE 15 THIS YEAR ON THE NOMINATION LIST?

>> SOUNDS GOOD ME.

>> ANDRE WON BEST SOUTHWEST.

SO WE'RE DOING A BIG THING.

EVERYONE ELSE IS MOVING OUT HERE FROM EVERYWHERE ELSE.

SO SHOWS THAT YOU PHOENIX IS DOING SOMETHING RIGHT.

>> WELL, YOU TWO ARE CERTAINLY DOING SOMETHING RIGHT.

BOTH OF YOU, CONGRATULATIONS, BEST SOUTHWEST CHEF FINALISTS, AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

THE.

>> A NEW EXHIBIT FEATURES THE WORK OF NOTED PHOTOGRAPHER JERRY JACKA AT THE HEARD MUSEUM.

IT MOST NOTABLY JACKA'S PORTRAITS OF ICONIC AMERICAN-INDIAN ARTISTS AND THEIR WORK.

TO LEARN MORE WE WELCOME ANN MARSHAL, CURATOR OF THE HEARD MUSEUM.

WHO IS JERRY JACKA.

>> JERRY JACKA IS A PHOTOGRAPHER WHO INTRODUCED SO MANY PEOPLE TO ARIZONA AND ARIZONA NATIVE ARTISTS AND THEIR ART.

AND HE WAS A WONDERFUL PERSON TO WORK WITH.

HE'S PASSED AWAY, DIED IN 2017.

BUT HIS FAMILY HAS GIVEN US HIS LIFE'S WORK, HIS ARCHIVES.

>> YEAH.

>> 133,000 IMAGES.

>> HOLY SMOKES.

WHO WENT THROUGH ALL OF THOSE IMAGES?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, THE FAMILY DID.

THEY KEPT WONDERFUL RECORDS.

>> YEAH.

>> SO THEY MADE OUR JOBS VERY EASY AS WE PLANNED THIS EXHIBIT.

>> WELL, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE ITEMS HERE THAT ARE ON DISPLAY BECAUSE THIS IS FANTASTIC.

I WANT TO START WITH ANNIE ANTOINE.

THIS IS A PHOTO FROM 1993.

AND AS SOON AS WE GET IT UP THERE, I WANT YOU TO TALK TO US ABOUT WHO ANNIE ANTOINE WAS AND WHAT IS SHE DOING THERE.

>> YOU KNOW, THIS IS -- YOU CAN SEE, SHE WAS HAVING A GOOD TIME.

LOOK AT THAT SMILE.

>> YES.

>> ANNIE ANTOINE, AN AWARD-WINNING BE TUNNEL AUTUMN BASKET WEAVER.

AND SHE'S GOT HER MATERIALS ALL SPREAD OUT THERE, HER BLEACHED YUCCA, HER UNBELIEVED YUCCA.

HER MARTINIA THAT'S SOAKING AND DOING ONE OF HER BASKETS.

AND THEN WE PAIRED IT WITH THIS BASKET OF HERS.

>> YES.

>> AND THAT'S CALLED LAST DANCE, AND SHE TOOK PHOTOGRAPHS OF HER FAMILY AT DANCES IN THE COMMUNITY.

THOSE LITTLE TICK MARKS YOU SEE AT TOP, THAT'S CRAY PAPER HANGING.

AND THEN SHE CREATED -- AND A WONDERFUL THING ABOUT THAT PICTORIAL BASKET, IS YOU KNOW, BASKETRY, EVERYTHING USUALLY COMES OUT ANGLER, LOOK AT THE ACTION AND THE MOTION SHE PUT IN THERE.

SHE IS SO TALENTED.

>> WELL, IT'S A GREAT PHOTOGRAPH OF HER.

IT'S A GREAT PHOTOGRAPH OF HER ART AND I WANT TO KEEP IT GOING HERE NOW, CHARLES LOLOMA.

THIS IS FROM 1985.

>> THIS IS A LITTLE EARLIER.

CHARLES -- WE'VE GOT -- HE'S THE ONLY ARTIST IN THE EXHIBIT FOR WHOM WE HAVE TWO PHOTOGRAPHS.

OKAY.

THIS ONE IS LOLOMA AT HIS WORK BENCH.

HE'S SETTING A PIECE OF TURQUOISE INTO HIS JEWELRY.

>> YES.

>> OKAY.

AND THEN THIS IS THE CORN-MADE NECKLACE.

AND YOU CAN SEE HOW INCREDIBLY INNOVATIVE HE WAS.

BUT THE OTHER PHOTOGRAPH THAT JERRY TOOK OF CHARLES LOLOMA IS CHARLES WITH HIS PORSCHE, AND HE'S GOT THE LOLOMA VANITY PLATE ON THERE, AND JERRY JACKA SHOT IT WITH A FISH-EYE LENS.

>> OH, YEAH.

OH, INTERESTING.

ALL RIGHT, OUR NEXT -- THERE'S SO MANY TO LOOK AT.

RAINY NAHA.

TALK TO US ABOUT RAINY.

>> WELL, LOOK AT THIS BEAUTIFUL WORK THAT SHE DOING.

AND THEY SAY THAT'S THE WONDERFUL THING ABOUT JERRY'S PHOTOGRAPH OF ARTISTS, THEY'RE AT THEIR WORK BENCH SO YOU GET A SENSE OF HOW THEY DID THAT.

>> YOU SEE THEM WORKING.

>> YEAH.

YEAH.

AND SHE'S PAINTING WITH A YUCCA BRUSH.

THAT YUCCA I WAS POINTING AT -- YEAH.

SHE'S PAINTING WITH A YUCCA BRUSH.

>> AND THE RESULT THERE ON THE RIGHT IS ABSOLUTELY -- THAT IS JUST GORGEOUS.

>> YES, IT IS.

AND IT'S KIND OF -- YOU SEE THESE INCLINED TARO HEADS, AND SUDDENLY AN -- IT'S -- SUDDENLY AN EYE BECOMES PART OF A BEAK.

YOU KNOW, THE COMPLEXITY OF THAT IS JUST STUNNING.

>> LAST ONE BEFORE WE GO HERE, SHONTO BEGAY, 1990s, MAYBE.

>> YEAH, AND JERRY SHOT THAT PHOTOGRAPH WHEN SHONTO WON AN AWARD AT THE MARKET.

AND THERE HE IS WITH HIS PHOTOGRAPH WITH THE BLUE RIBBON DRAPED OVER IT.

>> YEAH, AND HIS ARTWORK THERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE.

>> YEAH.

>> THAT'S FANTASTIC.

THAT'S AN INCREDIBLE PIECE.

HE PUT AN ORANGE LAYER UNDERNEATH THAT AND PAINTED OVER IT, AND IT GLOWS.

>> WOW.

THIS IS REMARKABLE.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A FANTASTIC EXHIBIT.

AGAIN, JERRY JACKA AT THE HEARD MUSEUM.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US AND SHARING THIS WITH US.

AND AS A CURATOR FOR THE HEARD MUSEUM, HAVE YOU GOT A GREAT JOB.

>> I LOVE IT.

>> I'LL BET YOU DO.

THANK YOU FOR SHARING SOME OF IT WITH US.

>> GREAT TO TALK TO YOU.

>> AND THAT IS FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.