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TED: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," IT'S THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

WE'LL LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES INCLUDING THE POLITICAL IMPACT OF A MAJOR SUPREME COURT REDISTRICTING DECISION.

THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE IS NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY, AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE, AND JOINING US TONIGHT, WAYNE SCHUTSKY FROM KJZZ RADIO.

CAMRYN SANCHEZ ALSO FROM KJZZ AND HOWIE FISCHER FROM CAPITOL MEDIA SERVICES.

PANEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

WAYNE, START WITH YOU, BIG SUPREME COURT DECISION.

I THINK SOME PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE HOW BIG THIS IS.

EVERYWHERE INCLUDING ARIZONA?

>> THAT'S RIGHT, YEAH, THE SUPREME COURT ESSENTIALLY KIND OF GUTTED A SECTION OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT THAT ENSURED MINORITY REPRESENTATION IN ELECTED OFFICES, CONGRESS, ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND YOU KNOW, THIS SPECIFIC RULING AFFECTS LOUISIANA, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY THIS COULD UNDERMINE DISTRICTS CREATED IN PART TO ENSURE MINORITY GROUPS COULD CHOOSE PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT THEM, AND THAT INCLUDES ARIZONA.

TED: YEAH, THIS IS BASICALLY THE HIGH COURT SAID EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE HERE, YOU CAN'T INTENTIONALLY DRAW MAPS THAT FAVOR MAJORITY, MINORITY AREAS.

IF THE EFFECT IS THERE, YES, BUT YOU CAN'T INTENTIONALLY DO IT.

>> YES, IT'S HARD YOU HAVE TO PROVE THE INTENT OF THE PEOPLE DRAWING THE MAPS.

AND IN ARIZONA, WE HAVE A REDISTRICTING COMMISSION TASKED WITH THAT.

IT'S NOT LAWMAKERS LIKE LOUISIANA AND OTHER STATES.

IT BEGS THE QUESTION WHAT ARE OUR DISTRICTS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IF THEY GET REDRAWN EARLY?

>> THE COMMISSION, HOWIE.

HOW MUCH DOES RACE PLAY A FACTOR IN THE COMMISSION'S DRAWINGS?

>> IT DOES.

IF YOU LOOK AT LAW PASSED BY VOTERS THAT CREATED THE COMMISSION TO TAKE IT OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE EVIL LAWMAKERS CARVING THE PLACE UP FOR THEMSELVES.

ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER ARE THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, THE PROVISION JUST OVERTURNED AND SO YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER CREATING MAJORITY/MINORITY DISTRICTS.

WHAT'S TRICKIER IS HOW MUCH OF THAT IS, IN FACT, PART OF THE EQUATION.

IT REQUIRES DISTRICTS BE POLITICALLY COMPACT, POLITICALLY COMPETITIVE TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE.

RESPECT CITY AND COUNTY BOUNDARIES, SO YOU COULD PROBABLY SUGGEST THERE ARE ONE OR TWO DISTRICTS, ONE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, PROBABLY, THE ONE THAT WAS GRIJALVA'S DISTRICT.

AS FAR AS LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTS, PROBABLY A COUPLE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SAY DISTRICTS IN MARYVALE, HAPPEN TO BE MAJORITY HISPANIC WOULD BE ANY DIFFERENT IF YOU REDREW THE LINES.

THAT'S WHO LIVES THERE.

ANYWHERE OUT IN MESA, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A WHITE MAJORITY DISTRICT.

TED: AND WARREN PETERSEN, SENATE PRESIDENT WARREN PETERSEN WASTED NO TIME IN CALLING FOR NEW ARIZONA MAPS.

>> GOVERNING BY TWEET AS WE LOVE TO SEE OUT HERE.

IMMEDIATELY TWEETED OUT SAYING HE THINKS THERE'S BEEN DISTRICTS CREATED IN THIS WAY IN ARIZONA, AND REPUBLICANS AND THE LEGISLATURE ARE LIKELY TO FILE A CHALLENGE.

NOW WHETHER WE SEE THAT SOON, OUR PRIMARIES ARE COMING UP, THIS PROCESS TAKES A YEAR OR MORE TO PLAY OUT REDISTRICTING, SO I DON'T EXPECT TO SEE ANYTHING COMING UP AHEAD OF THE CURRENT MIDTERM ELECTIONS.

>> SOMETHING ELSE IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER.

PART OF THE REASON WHAT HAPPENED WHEN YOU CREATED MAJORITY/MINORITY DISTRICTS, YOU PACK A LOT OF DEMOCRATS INTO CERTAIN AREAS BECAUSE THEY TEND TO BE THE ONES WHO VOTE HISPANIC OR SOMETIMES ON THE RESERVATION IN TERMS OF THE LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTS.

IF THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE, YOU MAY END UP PUTTING SOME OF THOSE DEMOCRATS INTO CURRENT REPUBLICAN DISTRICTS, AND THE REPUBLICANS FOR ALL THEIR RANTING AND RAVING BY WARREN PETERSEN, MAY END UP FINDING THEMSELVES IN LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTS WHERE THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD A MAJORITY EDGE, BUT THERE ARE NEW DEMOCRATS IN THERE, AND NOW SUDDENLY FIGHTING FOR THE POLITICAL LIVES.

>> AND BACK TO PETERSEN, HE SAID THE MAPS IN ARIZONA ARE RACIST.

>> HE SAID IF RACE IS A CONSIDERATION, THAT IS RACIST IN ITSELF.

THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT FROM THE 1960s IS DESIGNED TOO BOOST POWER OF MINORITIES BY CHOOSING PEOPLE TO REPRESENT THEM, THE FACT THAT RACE IS A FACTOR IS RACIST BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE A COLOR BUYING PROCESS.

THAT SHOULDN'T BE ONE OF THE FACTORS OFFICIALS ARE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT.

TED: WAYNE, REGARDING THE TIMING.

IT IS A COUPLE OF MONTHS BEFORE THE PRIMARY.

IF SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN, BETTER HAPPEN FAST.

>> YEAH, WE'VE SEEN GEORGIA, RUN BY REPUBLICANS, WE'RE NOT DOING IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE PRIMARIES ARE HAPPENING.

SO EVEN IF THEY DID TRY AND JUMP-START THE PROCESS, WE HAVE ONE OF THE LATER PRIMARIES, THE ACTUAL REDISTRICTING PROCESS WITH THE IRCD INDEPENDENT REDISTRICTING COMMISSION TAKES SO LONG, IT'S A PRACTICAL IMPOSSIBILITY TO REDRAUGHT MAPS.

>> AND THE FACT THAT THE LEGISLATURE SIMPLY CANNOT TAKE IT BACK.

A LOT OF THE STUFF IS VOTER PROTECTED.

YOU CAN'T SIMPLY SAY, WE'RE GOING TO OVERRULE THE INDEPENDENT REDISTRICTING COMMISSION, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT BACK.

WE'VE SAT THROUGH THE HEARINGS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DECADES AND THEY TAKE FOREVER AND HAVE TO TAKE TESTIMONY.

AND THERE'S MAPPING AND POLITICAL MAPPING BECAUSE ONE OF THE FACTORS IS CREATE AS MANY POLITICALLY COMPETITIVE DISTRICTS AS POSSIBLE.

YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES TO COME UP WITH THE DATA?

TED: WHEN YOU COME UP WITH THE DATA, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE A MAJORITY/MINORITY DISTRICT.

DO LAWSUITS START SAYING THAT'S THE INTENT.

>> WE HAD LAWSUITS FROM THE FIRST TIME SAYING IT FAVORED REPUBLICANS, THE SECOND TIME IT FAVORED DEMOCRATS, AND ONE OF THE FIRST LAWSUITS LASTED NINE YEARS UNTIL THE NEXT REDISTRICTING, BASED ON THE IDEA SOMEBODY IS GETTING SOMETHING DONE.

THE LAST REDISTRICTING, YOU HAD A LINE MOVED TO CREATE A SPOT FOR WENDY ROGERS IN THE TRAILER PARK FOR WHICH SHE SAID SHE LIVED TO MOVE HER INTO HER OWN DISTRICT.

TED: ALL THAT ASIDE, COULD THIS STREAMLINE THE PROCESS BECAUSE ALL YOU'RE NOW LOOKING FOR, NOT WHETHER THERE IS A MAJORITY/MINORITY DISTRICT, IT'S WHETHER THAT IS THE INTENT?

>> NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE UNLESS HAVE YOU PEOPLE ON THE SPEAKER PHONE SAYING I AM MAKING A BLACK PERSON DISTRICT, A WHITE PERSON DISTRICT.

PETERSEN WANTS TO DO SOMETHING THIS YEAR BUT WOULDN'T AFFECT ANYTHING UNTIL 2028, THE NEXT BIG CYCLE.

>> YES, IT'S TRUE, WE NO LONGER HAVE TO LOOK AT RACE, BUT HAVE TO LOOK AT POLITICAL COMPETITIVENESS.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT COMPACTNESS, BOUNDARIES, RIVERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THERE'S PLENTY TO CONSIDER, EVEN IF YOU TAKE OUT THE LINE ABOUT RACE.

>> AND COMMUNITIES OF INTERESTS, WHICH COULD BE.

TED: YES, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

WAYNE, LET'S GO TO -- WE HAD A TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ATTEMPT TO GET REGISTRATION INFORMATION, DATA FROM ARIZONA.

I BELIEVE THIS WAS THE POUND SAND EDITION OF FONTES V. TRUMP?

>> THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN GOING ONTO MANY STATES TRYING TO GET VOTER ROLLS, THEY SAY TO ENSURE STATES ARE COMPLYING WITH RULES REQUIRING THEM TO CLEAN THE ROLLS, MAKING SURE INELIGIBLE VOTERS AREN'T ON THERE.

A LOT OF DEMOCRAT-LED STATES SAY NO.

SECRETARY FONTES SAYS THIS VIOLATES PRIVACY LAWS.

THERE'S A LOT OF SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT I CAN'T JUST HAND OVER TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR ANYONE ELSE.

THE JUDGE AGREED.

SAID THE A.G.

IS ALLOWED TO GET CERTAIN DATA FROM THE STATES BUT NOT THE RANGE THE DATA THEY'RE SEEKING.

>> WHAT'S IMPORTANT, TO WAYNE'S POINT, YES, FONTES SAID AND THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID, WELL, IT'S STATE AND FEDERAL PRIVACY LAWS.

JUDGE DIDN'T DECIDE THAT.

THIS IS ONE OF THE CASES WHERE THE JUDGE LOOKED AT THE FEDERAL LAW THAT ALLOWS THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO COME IN AND SAY HERE'S THE REASONS YOU CAN'T.

THIS DOES NOT FIT THE REASON, THEREFORE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADDRESS THE PRIVACY ISSUE, YOU HAVEN'T RAE THE LAW CORRECTLY.

TED: YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO THIS INFORMATION, END OF STORY.

>> YEAH, WE'RE NOT THE FIRST STATE SUBJECT TO THIS DECISION.

THERE WERE FIVE OTHERS BEFORE US.

IT'S A SWEEPING WIN FOR THE STATES WHO RESISTED.

TED: THE JUDGE IN THIS CASE WAS?

>> BRNOVICH.

TED: YES, TRUMP APPOINTEE.

INTERESTING?

>> YES, BRNOVICH WAS ALSO THE WIFE OF MARK BRNOVICH, THE REPUBLICAN ATTORNEY GENERAL, AND IN THIS CASE, THOUGH, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE GOING BY THE BOOK INSTEAD OF BY THE PARTY, AND MIGHT BE ACCUSED OF BEING A RHINO ANY DAY.

FOR FONTES, IT'S A VICTORY LAP.

TED: HOW BIG A VICTORY LAP FOR MAYES?

>> A BIG VICTORY LAP.

BEFORE THE DECISION CAME DOWN, HE WAS TELLING THEM TO POUND SAND.

LOOKS GOOD FOR THEM.

WE'RE EXPECTING APPEALS SO I THINK THE STORY IS FAR FROM OVER.

TED: INTERESTING.

THAT ONE, SHE PUTS THE PAUSE ON IT, BUT NATURE ABORES A VACUUM.

>> IF KRIS MAYES IS NOT SUING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE?

THAT'S WHAT SHE LIVES FOR.

IT'S ANOTHER WEEK, ANOTHER LAWSUIT.

THIS IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION IN TERMS OF WHAT CAN THE STATE DO.

IF I.C.E.

WERE LEASING THIS FACILITY AND BELONGED TO A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL, THE CITY HAS CERTAIN POWERS IN TERMS OF ZONING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

FEDERAL FACILITIES LIKE MILITARY BASES ARE EXEMPT FROM LOCAL REGULATION, SO THE FOLKS IN SURPRISE SAID WE CAN'T DO MUCH ABOUT IT.

KRIS MAYES SAID WAIT A SECOND, YOU STILL REQUIRED UNDER FEDERAL LAW TO DO CERTAIN THINGS.

NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION ACT, THERE'S OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR SCREENING TO DETERMINE OTHER IMPACTS, AND THEY DIDN'T DO THOSE THINGS, AND THEREFORE, THE WHOLE THING HAS TO BE HELD UP UNTIL THEY DO THOSE STUDIES.

>> AND THE SAFETY FOR THOSE BEING DETAINED.

THAT WAS A FACTOR IN THE SUIT?

>> SO SHE SAYS.

[ LAUGHTER ] >> WELL, THIS WAREHOUSE IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM ANOTHER WAREHOUSE WHICH HAS CHEMICALS STORED THERE.

HAZARDOUS CHEMICAL STORAGE.

SHE'S SAYING THAT THE STORAGE OF THOSE CHEMICALS PUTS THE PEOPLE IN DANGER BECAUSE THE WAREHOUSE ISN'T DESIGNED TO HOLD 1500 PEOPLE, AND IF THERE'S AN EXPLOSION OR FIRE, THOSE PEOPLE WON'T EVACUATE QUICKLY ENOUGH.

THEREFORE IT'S TOO DANGEROUS TO BE THERE.

UNLIKE THE OTHER BUSINESSES AND HOMES NEARBY THE HAZARDOUS CHEMICAL STORAGE FACILITY.

SHE BASICALLY ACKNOWLEDGED AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE WHERE SHE ANNOUNCED THE LAWSUIT, SHE WAS GOING TO TRY TO DO A PUBLIC NUISANCE LAWSUIT BUT THAT'S A STATE LAW, AND THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT SUPREMACY BECAUSE FEDERAL LAW TRUMPS STATE LAW.

SHE HAD TO SUE WITH FEDERAL LAW.

SHE HAD TO FIND A FEDERAL PROBLEM, THAT'S HOW WE GET ON NEPA AND THE OTHER ISSUE.

TED: IMMIGRATION AND ENVIRONMENTAL HERE.

OFF WE GO TO COURT.

DIDN'T I SEE AS WELL THAT THE FUNDING FOR THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY IS ON HOLD?

>> THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PUT THE PROJECT ON HOLD SO THIS MIGHT BE MOOT FOR THE TIME BEING, BUT NOT TO ACCUSE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF GETTING POLITICAL, BUT SHE CAME AFTER THIS FACILITY ALMOST FROM DAY ONE, WHEN PEOPLE STARTED COMING UP AROUND HERE AND GOES BACK TO A BROADER STRATEGY BY DEMOCRATS, A LOT OF COMPLAINTS, WE WANT TO FIGHT HER, WANT PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO FIGHT DONALD TRUMP AND KRIS MAYES HAS TAKEN UP THE MANTLE SINCE SHE CAME INTO OFFICE.

TED: PEOPLE OUT THERE LOOKING FOR A FIGHT AS WELL?

>> I THINK SO.

PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THINK WE'RE DOING OUR PART TO HELP THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS.

PEOPLE LIKE WARREN PETERSEN RUNNING FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL, WHO SAYS WHY WOULD WE WANT TO INTERFERE WITH THIS?

THE PEOPLE OF SURPRISE, MANY ARE SAYING, WAIT, THIS WAS DUMPED ON US.

WE DIDN'T EVEN GET A CHANCE TO DISCUSS THIS.

DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO DO WHAT WE WANT, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN A LARGELY REPUBLICAN AREA SAYING, WAIT, WHO CAME UP AND FOUGHT FOR US?

IT WAS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, WHO'S A DEMOCRAT, AND SHE'S COUNTING ON THAT, I'M SURE, NOT THAT SHE'S POLITICAL GOING BACK TO CAMRYN'S POINT.

>> I NEVER SAID THAT.

>> BUT I'M SURE SHE'S THINKING, WAIT A SECOND, IF THERE'S LEGITIMATE REASONS TO SUE, THIS IS POLITICALLY A GOOD THING TO BE DOING.

TED: YOU TAKE OUT AN ABACUS OR CALCULATOR, YOU COME UP WITH 41 CASES BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

AM I RIGHT?

>> AS OF FRIDAY, IT WAS 41, UNLESS SOMETHING JUST HAPPENED.

TED: IS THAT GOOD FOR HER OR WARJTS WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

>> I VIEW IT IN THE WAY I VIEW HOBBS AS BEING THE VETO QUEEN, WHERE YOU CAN USE IT TO BOTH SIDES.

THE REPUBLICANS CAN SAY MAYES IS THIS INSANE DEMOCRAT DOING THE LAWSUITS AND WASTING TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND TIME, OR SPIN IT AND SAY HEY, LOOK HOW ACTIVE I'VE BEEN AS ATTORNEY GENERAL, LOOK AT THE STUFF I'M DOING FOR AND YOU BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN A LOT OF THE LAWSUITS AS FAR AS GETTING AN INJUNCTION OR SOMETHING.

I HAVE A GOOD SUCCESS RATE OF DOING WHAT I WAS ELECTED TO DO.

TED: WAYNE, WHICH MESSAGE DO YOU THINK IS STRONGER, TO THE AVERAGE VOTER?

>> I THINK GIVEN THE NATURE OF POLITICS THIS YEAR WHERE WE'RE EXPECTING A DEMOCRATIC WAVE YEAR, THE LATTER MESSAGE, I'M FIGHTING FOR YOU, FIGHTING AGAINST OVERREACH BY THE GOVERNMENT GIVEN THE POLLINGLY WE'VE SEEN ON TRUMP'S CRACKDOWN, IT WAS A POPULAR IDEA BUT THE WAY IT'S BEEN IMPLEMENTED HASN'T BEEN SO POPULAR.

I TEND TO THINK IT'S GOING TO WORK IN HER FAVOR.

>> THE FACT IS ATTORNEYS GENERAL PARTICULARLY IN THIS STATE HAVE USED CONSUMER FRAUD LAWS TO GO AFTER FOLKS.

GRANT WOODS WENT AFTER TOBACCO COMPANIES USING CONSUMER FRAUD LAWS.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW SOMEBODY IS FIGHTING FOR THEM, IF, IN FACT, IT WASN'T FOR THE CONSUMER FRAUD LAWS USED TO GO AFTER RENTAL COMPANIES THAT ARE PRICE FIXING LIKE THAT, THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GET HURT.

TED: DIDN'T THE CURRENT ATTORNEY GENERAL CRITICIZE OTHER ATTORNEYS GENERAL FOR GETTING INVOLVED IN CASES AROUND THE COUNTRY?

>> I THINK THEY SAY IT'S ALL ABOUT ME.

I DON'T KNOW SHE'S BEEN CRITICAL OF OTHER ATTORNEYS GENERAL.

TED: BACK WHEN SHE WAS CAMPAIGNING, I MEAN?

>> WHEN SHE WAS CAMPAIGNING, SHE SUGGESTED WE STICK TO THE THINGS THAT AFFECT US.

YOU CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT A LOT OF THE STUFF WITH I.C.E., WITH CONSUMER FRAUD, WITH RENTAL PRICE FIXING, EVEN WITH -- SHE HAD A CASE AGAINST THE HEFTY BAG COMPANY FOR MISREPRESENTING THEIR BAGS AS BEING RECYCLABLE, AND WAS THAT FRIVOLOUS?

I DON'T KNOW.

SHE GOT THEM TO BACK OFF.

TED: ALL RIGHT, CAMRYN, LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A BUDGET FROM THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S DOING, BUT IT'S OUT THERE ON THE TABLE, UPDATE PLEASE?

>> OKAY, WE'VE GOT A GOP BUDGET WHICH HAS BEEN MOVING THROUGH THE PROCESS ON PARTY LINES.

SO FAR NO DEMOCRATS ON BOARD, BUT PASSED OUT OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, THE BALL IS IN THE SENATE'S COURT AND THEY PLAN TO VOTE ON MONDAY, BUT THE ISSUE IS THAT KATIE HOBBS WILL NOT SAY IF SHE'S WILLING TO TALK TO THEM AT ALL.

THEY'RE SAYING SHE NEEDS TO CALL US, THEY SAY SHE NEEDS TO CALL ME.

UNFORTUNATELY COULD BE HEADED TO A VETO.

WE'VE HEARD CLAIMS FROM REPUBLICANS, THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT, THIS IS NOT VETO FODDER AND THINGS SHE COULD GET ON BOARD WITH AND WANT THIS TO BE A STARTING OFF POINT.

TED: COUPLE OF THINGS I DON'T THINK SHE'S GOING TO GET ON BOARD WITH IS THE FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE FEDERAL TAX CUTS.

IS PROP 123 OFF TO THE WIND?

WHAT?

>> YEAH, I'D SAY THAT PROP 123 IS THE BIGGER DEAL FOR HER.

SHE WANTS THAT INCLUDED IN PART OF BUDGET TALKS FOR YEARS NOW, AND REPUBLICANS SAY, WELL, WE CAN'T BALANCE THE BUDGET BASED ON VOTER APPROVED THING THAT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED YET.

ON THE OTHER SIDE THE GOVERNOR WANTS TO BOOST EDUCATION FUNDING.

FULL CONFORMITY, SHE IS TELEGRAPHING SHE'S OKAY WITH FULL CONFORMITY AWHILE NOW AND IT'S BECOME A POLITICAL FOOTBALL GOING BACK AND FORTH.

>> PART OF THE PROBLEM SHE'S HAVING IS MAKING THE NUMBERS WORK.

THE REASON SHE HAS A 17 -- EXCUSE ME, $18.7 BILLION VERSUS 17.9 IS WANTS TO DO A FEE ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

SHE WANTED TO RAISE THE TAXES, FEES, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM ON CERTAIN SPORTS GAMING AND, OF COURSE, TO GO BACK TO A PERENNIAL, SHE WANTS TO GO AHEAD AND LIMIT ELIGIBILITY FOR VOUCHERS, THAT SAVES ABOUT $89 MILLION IF YOU PUT A CAP ON THAT.

NONE OF THOSE ARE GOING TO HAPPEN, AND I THINK SHE MAY BEGINNING TO REALIZE WHY AM I BEATING MY HEAD ON THESE?

GOING BACK TO WAYNE'S POINT, PROP 123 OR EXTENSION BECOMES IMPORTANT, BUT THE REST HAS TO GO BY THE WAYSIDE.

TED: WHAT'S NEGOTIABLE HERE?

WHAT CAN BOTH SIDES COME TO THE TABLE AND SAY ALL RIGHT, WE CAN HAMMER SOMETHING OUT?

>> I'M NOT AS DISCOURAGED AS I THINK WE SHOULD BE.

I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF NEGOTIABLE THINGS IN THE BUDGET, NOT TOO DISSIMILAR FROM A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN THEY HAD A LEAN YEAR.

THE AMOUNT CAN BE NEGOTIATED.

POTENTIALLY TAXING THE DATA CENTERS CAN BE NEGOTIATED.

FULL TAX CONFORMITY IS ALSO ON THE TABLE.

>> YOU THINK IT IS ON THE TABLE, THEN?

>> YEAH, THEY WANT PROP 123 IN EXCHANGE FOR FULL TAX CONFORMITY, BUT IT'S PAST APRIL 15.

WE'RE IN MAY NOW.

I THINK FULL TAX CONFORMITY IS PRUDENT IN A LOT OF WAYS.

>> NOT ONLY THAT, THE WAY TAX CONFORMITY IS BASED, NEXT YEAR PEOPLE ARE FILING NEXT APRIL WHEN THEY PUT IN DEDUCTIONS FOR CHILD CARE.

HOW CAN SHE SAY I DON'T WANT THAT?

TED: SHE CAN ALSO SAY GO BACK TO YOUR ICE PREPARER BECAUSE WE'RE NOT FULLY CONFORMED.

>> THAT'S THE REPUBLICAN CAJOLE UP UNTIL THIS POINT.

WE'RE PAST THE DEADLINE, NOW AGAIN DEMOCRATS POINT OUT 90+% OF PEOPLE USE STANDARD DEDUCTION, REPUBLICANS AND HOBBS AGREE WE NEED TO BOOST THAT, BUT WOULD PUT SMALL BUSINESSES IN A PICKLE IF THIS CONFORMITY DIDN'T GO THROUGH BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO REFILE WITH THE SPECIFICS OF DEPRECIATION SCHEDULES AND THAT STUFF.

TED: SO IS THE MORATORIUM LIFTED?

IS THE SUN SHINING AGAIN OR WHAT?

>> YOU TELL ME WHEN YOU FIND OUT.

INITIALLY THE GOVERNOR SEEMED TO INDICATE TO HOWIE, I THINK IT WAS, THAT, YES, ONCE THE REPUBLICANS PUT THIS BUDGET ON THE TABLE, THAT YEAH, IT'S LIFTED, AND THEN THE FOLLOWING MONDAY THEY PUT IT ON THE TABLE AND NOT LIFTED.

SHE SAYS WE'LL WAIT AND SEE.

TED: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS, WHAT?

>> I THINK IT'S WEIRD THEY WON'T JUST PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL EACH OTHER.

TED: SOUNDS LIKE JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL.

HE'S GOT TO CALL ME.

>> WE'RE TOLD IT'S LITIGATED IN THE PRESS.

WE'RE ASKING BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AND SOME POINT WE WOULD ALL LIKE TO GO HOME.

I THINK INEVITABLY SHE HAS TO DEAL WITH THE BUDGET THEY PUT UP, AND IT WOULD BE CONVENIENT TO TALK THE WHOLE TIME AND HAVE THIS BE THE REAL FINAL BUDGET?

YES.

>> THE LOVE THE GOVERNOR'S ARGUMENT, I'M NOT GOING TO LITIGATE THIS IN THE PRESS.

HER STAFF DID A WHOLE BRIEFING FOR US SAYING WHY THE REPUBLICAN BUDGET IS HORRIBLE.

DON'T GIVE ME THIS LINE, NO, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THIS AMONGST OURSELVES.

TED: HOWIE, THE GOVERNOR TOOK IN A GAME IN MEXICO AND IT GOES VIRAL.

WHAT HAPPENED?

>> THIS GOVERNOR LIKE MOST POLITICIANS CAN BE HER OWN WORST ENEMY.

THERE IS A VIDEO OF SOMEONE SAYING TO HER IN MEXICO CITY.

HI, YOU'RE HERE, WHO'S PAYING FOR YOUR TRIP.

ANSWER COULD HAVE BEEN SIMPLE, A, THE TRAVEL WAS PAID FOR BY THE HISPANIC CHAMBER, AND B THE PROTOCOL FUND PAID FOR $400 IN TICKETS.

SHE SAID NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

WORST THING CAN YOU SAY AS A POLITICIAN.

DO YOU NOT NOTICE EVERYBODY HAS A CELL PHONE THESE DAYS?

FINALLY WHEN THE YOU KNOW WHAT HIT THE FAN, SHE SAID I WILL REPAY THE $400 FOR THE TICKETS.

THIS WAS AN UNFORCED ERROR TO THE EXTENT SHE DIDN'T NEED TO DO THIS.

TED: WAS SHE RELEASING HER INNER TRUMP HERE?

DID DIAMONDBACKS LOSE?

WAS THAT THE GAME THEY LOST?

>> IT'S A SITUATION IT CAUGHT HER OFF GUARD AND GOT REACTION.

WHO KNOWS WHO THAT PERSON WAS AND HOW SHE PERCEIVED THE QUESTION.

I BELIEVE SHE DID LATER ADMIT SHE REGRETTED THE WAY SHE ANSWERED IT.

I JUST WANTED TO GIVE KUDOS TO STACY BARSHINGER AT THE REPUBLIC, I BELIEVE THE GOVERNOR'S COMMITMENT TO PAY BACK THE TICKETS CAME IN REALTIME AS STACY ASKED HER AT A PRESS GAGGLE WHO PAID FOR IT.

TED: WAS THAT OUT OF THE PROTOCOL FUND?

>> IT WAS INITIALLY BUT THE GOVERNOR SAID I'LL PAY IT BACK.

TED: REGARDING THE RACIST MAPS, SAYING THIS IS TERRIBLE, THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS.

>> NEATLY TIED IT TO HER BEING UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR THE PAY TO PLAY SCHEME, AND THIS GOVERNOR IS NOT BEING TRANSPARENT WITH YOU AND HER MONEY.

THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE IN THE STRING OF THINGS SHE'S DONE.

I AGREE WITH IT WAS AN UNFORCED ERROR AND SHE WAS CAUGHT OFFGUARD.

IF SOMEONE APPROACHED ME IN PUBLIC AND WHY ARE YOU HERE?

WHO PAID FOR IT?

I WOULD HAVE TOLD THEM TO HIT THE ROAD.

TO MY RELIEF, I AM NOT GOVERNOR, AND NOT PLAYING WITH THAT MONEY.

THAT'S HOW IT IS.

TED: HOW BIG A DEAL, ELECTIONWISE?

>> ONE OF MANY THINGS.

THERE IS NO BIG SMOKING GUN THAT'S GOING TO LEAD TO ANDY BIGGS OR KATIE HOBBS BEING ELECTED.

IT HAS TO DO WITH PEOPLE'S PERCEPTION, AND NOT ONLY THAT, WE HAVE THAT SUNSHINE RESIDENTIAL THING OUT THERE.

AT SOME POINT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL PROMISED BEFORE THE NOVEMBER ELECTION, SHE'LL ISSUE A REPORT.

DOESN'T MATTER.

IF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL CLEARS THE GOVERNOR, IT'S BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATIC ATTORNEY GENERAL CLEARED THE GOVERNOR.

IF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAYS THERE'S REASON TO BELIEVE THE GOVERNOR KNEW OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN, IT'S WORSE.

TED: AND KEEPS IT IN THE NEWS, WHATEVER THE DECISION IS.

>> EXACTLY.

TED: HOWIE, SYLVIA ALLEN IS RETURNING TO THE LEGISLATURE.

WHO IS SYLVIA ALLEN AGAIN?

>> SYLVIA ALLEN HAS BEEN IN THE SENATE TWICE BEFORE.

SHE IS A NORTHERN ARIZONA RESIDENT.

GOT KNOWN FOR SOME OF HER MORE CONSERVATIVE VIEWPOINTS, AGAIN, NO SURPRISE IF YOU'RE LIVING UP IN SNOWFLAKE OR SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE, BUT GOT KNOWN FOR A COUPLE OF THINGS INCLUDING SUGGESTING THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD REQUIRE PEOPLE TO GO TO CHURCH.

THIS WAS A FLIP COMMENT, BUT WHAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT IS WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE OTHER THINGS?

SHE ADMITTED IT WAS A FLIPPED COMMENT.

BUT SAID WHAT'S WRONG WITH GOING TO CHURCH AND HAVING THAT?

THE OTHER IS THE PERENNIAL ISSUE OF DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE?

HER CONTENTION IS, AND SHE'S NOT THE ONLY ONE AT THE CAPITOL WHO BELIEVES THIS, IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE, WE'VE BEEN HERE 5923 YEARS OR WHATEVER THE MAGIC NUMBER IS, AND THAT EVERYTHING SELLS JUST GOD TRYING TO TEST US.

>> SHE ALSO CRITICIZED DECLINING BIRTHRIGHTS AMONG WHITE PEOPLE.

I THINK CALLED IT THE BROWNING OF AMERICA.

>> YEAH, MADE COMMENTS DURING HER LAST STINT ECHOING AS THE GREAT REPLACEMENT THEORY.

AFTERWARDS APOLOGIZED FOR THAT.

IT WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT BUT SAYS WE'RE TURNING INTO -- WE'RE GOING TO TURN INTO SOUTH AMERICA.

TED: THESE ARE VERY CONTROVERSIAL IDEAS AND TOPICS AND STATEMENTS AT THE TIME, DIDN'T SOUND THAT CONTROVERSIAL, WE HEAR THIS ALL THE TIME NOW, DON'T WE?

>> I'VE HEARD THE CREATIONISM STUFF BEFORE AT THE STATE CAPITOL.

I HAVEN'T HEARD THE BROWNING OF AMERICA.

SHE WAS AROUND FOR QUITE AWHILE, AND NOW THAT SHE'S BACK, SHE STARTED OFF STRONG WITH THE SPEECH HOW GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM.

SHE WAS SWORN IN AND SPOKE AT THE CAPITOL THIS PAST WEEK AND SAID GOVERNMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR PROBLEMS, WE HAVE TO STOP IT.

THE EVIL IN THE GOVERNMENT, THIS IS GOING TO BE AN EXCITING LAWMAKER TO DEAL WITH.

I'M EXCITED FOR WHAT SHE SAYS NEXT.

TED: FILLING THE HOUSE SEAT OF DAVID MARSHALL NAVAJO COUNTY RECORDER?

>> MAYBE RECORDER.

THIS GETS TO THE ISSUE THE NAVAJO COUNTY RECORDER HAD TO BE REPLACED, SO YOU FIND SOMEBODY.

OKAY, DAVID MARSHALL IS THERE.

STATE LAWMAKER RUN FATHER CORPORATION COMMISSION SAID WAIT A SECOND, I SEE A SURE THING BEING APPOINTED RECORDER.

THE ARIZONA CONSTITUTION SAYS YOU CANNOT SERVE IN ANOTHER OFFICE DURING THE TERM FOR WHICH YOU WERE ELECTED, WHICH IS GOING TO LEAD TO LITIGATION.

TED: ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, HOWIE, THANK YOU, WAYNE, THANK YOU, CAMRYN.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.