TED: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON" -- IT'S THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

WE'LL LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES INCLUDING THE GOVERNOR'S FIRST VETO OF THE VERSION AND THE LEGISLATURE'S RESPONSE.

THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE IS NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY, AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE, AND JOINING US JEREMY DUDA OF AXIOS PHOENIX, AND JEREMY'S WIFE IS AN EMPLOYEE OF ARIZONA PBS.

ALSO HOWIE FISCHER OF CAPITOL MEDIA SERVICES AND CAMRYN SANCHEZ OF KJZZ RADIO.

PANEL, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

JEREMY, WE GOT OUR FIRST VETO OF THE SESSION, TALK TO US ABOUT IT.

>> FIRST BUT NOT THE LAST BILL THAT LANDS ON KATIE HOBBS DESK.

THIS IS SOMETHING REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SINCE THE ELECTION AND THE ELECTION BEFORE THAT, TRYING TO SPEED UP OUR NOTORIOUSLY LONG VOTE COUNTING, IN A WAY THAT'S CONTROVERSIAL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE IS BY RESTRICTING PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO DROP OFF EARLY BALLOTS ON ELECTION DAY OR THE DAY BEFORE THE ELECTION, WE HAVE THIS ROBUST EARLY VOTING SYSTEM, DROP OFF EARLY BALLOT AT 7:00 ON ELECTION NIGHT, THEY COUNT THAT, VERY EASY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT IN LINE.

LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE DO IT THAT WAY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU FORGET TO SEND IT IN ON TIME.

THAT TAKES DAYS TO VERIFY THE SIGNATURES AND RESULTS IN THE PROLONGED VOTE COUNTS WHERE YOU DON'T KNOW WHO WON A RACE FOR ABOUT A WEEK.

>> WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS THE BILL WAS SIMPLY LIMITED TO THE FRIDAY DROP-OFF, SINCE OUR PROVISIONS WHERE YOU GO IN ON ELECTION DAY, YOU HAVE TO PRESENT IDENTIFICATION IS THEY DECIDE TO LARD IT UP WITH A FEW OTHER THINGS.

RIGHT NOW THERE IS AN AUTOMATIC EARLY VOTER LIST, WHERE I'M SIGNED UP FOR IT, IT MEANS IF I KEEP VOTING EVERY CYCLE, I KEEP GETTING EARLY BALLOT.

THIS WOULD REQUIRE ME TO AFFIRMATIVELY TELL THEM I'M STILL AT THIS ADDRESS.

IF YOU DON'T DO THAT, YOU DON'T GET YOUR BALLOT, AND THAT BLOWS A HOLE IN THE IDEA OF AUTOMATIC EARLY VOTING, AND SO THE GOVERNOR SEIZED ON THAT AND SAID, LOOK, I WAS WILLING TO NEGOTIATE WITH YOU ABOUT THE FRIDAY STUFF.

YOU PUT IN OTHER THINGS, I WANTED THINGS LIKE SAME-DAY VOTER REGISTRATION WHICH SHE NEVER WAS GOING TO GET.

WHY WOULD YOU MAKE IT HARDER IF YOU ARE MAKE A DEADLINE.

TED: MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO VOTE IS THE BIGGEST REASON FOR VETO.

>> DIDN'T WANT TO INCONVENIENCE VOTERS OR LIMIT ACCESS.

HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF VOTERS, IF IT'S INCONVENIENT TO THE SYSTEM, DO LIKE TO SHOW UP AT THE LAST-MINUTE AND DROP OFF THE BALLOTS WHICH HAS TO GO THROUGH LENGTHY AND IRRITATING SIGNATURE VERIFICATION PROCESS, BUT SHE IS CONCERNED THAT IF THE BILL GOES THROUGH, VOTERS ARE NOT GOING TO REALIZE WHAT'S CHANGED OR HAVE TO DO DIFFERENTLY, THEREFORE THEY'LL BE DISENFRANCHISED SOMEHOW.

TED: THE GOVERNOR WAS UPSET WITH THE FORCING OF SCHOOLS TO POLLING PLACES?

>> ONE OF THE THINGS SHE CITED IN VETO LETTER AND GENERAL OPPOSITION NEGOTIATIONS BROKE DOWN, NOT ALL SCHOOLS ARE POLLING PLACES, NOT EVERYONE HAS THE SPACE OR RESOURCES TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

THE REAL ISSUE IS THE EARLY BALLOT DROP-OFFS AT THE HEART OF THE MATTER.

OTHER THINGS SHE DOESN'T LIKE, BUT VERY RESISTANT TO IN THE PAST, AND SOMETHING SHE IS RESISTANT TO NOW, THE FACT THEY'RE NEGOTIATING ON THESE THINGS IS A SITUATION WHERE SHE WAS GOING TO SIGN SOMETHING THAT HAD THE PROVISION WITHOUT GETTING SOMETHING MAJOR LIKE THE SAME-DAY VOTER REGISTRATION OR LIFTING THE BAN ON THIRD PARTY BALLOT COLLECTION OR BALLOT HARVESTING AS THE REPUBLICANS CALL IT, WHICH THEY WERE NEVER GOING TO GO FOR.

>> TWO INTERESTING POINTS THERE.

IF WE HAVE EARLY RETURNS, THAT WILL CUT THE LEGS OFF THE ELECTION DENIERS WHO KEEP INSISTING, NOW THEY'RE FIGURING OUT HOW TO CHEAT.

IF WE HAVE IMMEDIATE RETURNS, WHAT'S THEIR EXCUSE?

THERE IS NO REASON FOR REPUBLICANS TO NEGOTIATE.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT IN 2026.

THEY HAVE THE VOTES FOR IT, NOW THE QUESTION IS DO VOTERS WANT THAT THEMSELVES.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY THEY COULDN'T WAIT TO SAY, FINE, WE KNOW SHE'S GOING TO VETO IT, SEND IT TO THE BALLOT.

IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

ARE VOTERS GOING TO SAY LIMIT US, PLEASE?

>> WASN'T EXACTLY SNEAKY, WE EXPECTED THIS TO BE ONE OF THE FIRST BILLS IF NOT THE FIRST BILL TO GO UP.

WE EXPECTED HER TO VETO IT.

IT'S PLAYING OUT AS PLANNED.

AS FAR AS GOING TO THE BALLOT, IT COULD BE POPULAR WITH VOTERS.

IT'S EVERYONE WHO GETS FRUSTRATED BY US HAVING SLOW ELECTION RESULTS.

WHETHER YOU UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, WHETHER YOU ARE REPUBLICAN OR NOT, SOMETIMES IRRITATING TO WATCH ON THE DAYS AFTER THE ELECTION, ALL THE OTHER STATES ARE DOING BETTER THAN US EVEN IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THAT'S THE IMPRESSION, AND THEY MADE IT CLEAR GOING INTO THE NEW LEGISLATIVE SESSION IT WOULD BE A PRIORITY.

>> NOW THE PROBLEM COULD BE, IF THE EARLY BALLOT DROP-OFF RESTRICTIONS ARE POPULAR WITH VOTERS, MOST VOTERS SAY WE'D LOVE EARLIER RESULTS, WHAT ARE THEY WILLING TO GIVE UP FOR IT, AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU START PUTTING OTHER PROVISIONS IN THERE?

THE AUTOMATIC EARLY VOTING LIST, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED NOW, ARE PEOPLE GOING TO MAKE IT HARDER TO STAY ON THE LIST?

I THINK THERE ARE OTHER PROVISIONS ADDED THAT WARRANT THE BILL TO THE PROPOSED BALLOT REFERRAL, AND I FORGET WHAT THEY ARE.

THE MORE YOU START ADDING IN THERE, THE MORE PEOPLE SAY, I DON'T LIKE THAT, I'LL VOTE AGAINST THAT.

IT'S GOING TO MAKE MY LIFE HARDER.

>> LOOK AT LANGUAGE, THE MEASURE TO MAKE OUR ELECTIONS FASTER AND COOLER.

PEOPLE MIGHT BE GREAT, AND NOT NECESSARILY CARE ABOUT THE NITTY-GRITTY MY SCHOOL HAS TO DO THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER THING.

TED: BEFORE WE LEAVE THE TOPIC, THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR COUNTY RECORDERS FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW.

SO MANY FOLKS WAITING TO DROP OFF EARLY BALLOT.

THEY SAY IT'S AN EARLY BALLOT, THAT'S THE POINT, NOT COME IN AT THE LAST-MINUTE.

>> SURE, 27 DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION, THESE THINGS GET MAILED OUT.

THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO FILL IT OUT.

I FILLED MINE OUT AT THE TABLE, RETURN IT TEN DAYS BEFORE, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO SCREW UP THE SYSTEM, BUT THERE ARE TIMES THAT THINGS ARE HAPPENING AT LAST MINUTE.

I UNDERSTAND WHY SOME VOTERS SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE TENDS TO OPEN HER MOUTH A LOT, AND I WANT TO SEE WHAT SHE SAYS BETWEEN NOW AND ELECTION DAY.

TED: I'M NOT SURE AND I WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THE LAST-MINUTE.

>>> CAMRYN, PRESIDENT'S DAY PROTEST AT THE CAPITOL.

LOTS OF FOLKS THERE.

HOW MANY WERE THERE AND WHAT WERE THEY PROTESTING?

>> I'M NOT A GREAT COUNTER, THOUGH I WAS THERE, I DON'T WANT TO MESS UP.

ROUGHLY A THOUSAND BUT AT LEAST A FEW HUNDRED.

AS FAR AS ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE PROTESTING, THAT'S THE THING.

ONE GROUP SAID THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE EVERY MONDAY, PROTESTING ABOUT IMMIGRATION STUFF.

ANOTHER PRESS RELEASE ABOUT ANOTHER GROUP AND PROTESTING ABOUT HAVING KINGS ON PRESIDENT'S DAY.

EVERYONE GOT MERGED INTO A LIBERAL BLOB.

AS I WAS WATCHING THIS, I WAS LIGHTLY TALKING SMACK WITH LOBBYISTS, WHAT ARE THEY ASKING FOR?

I SAW PALESTINIAN FLAGS.

I SAW GAY FLAGS, TRANS FLAGS, ANOTHER FLAG I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE AND A BUNCH OF SIGNS ON A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT TOPICS.

TED: WE HAD A LIBERAL BLOB PROTESTING AT THE CAPITOL, DID THEY TRY TO BREAK IN?

WE GOT REPORTS ON THAT.

SENATOR WENDY ROGERS SAID THEY TRIED TO BREAK IN.

>> BANGING ON THE DOORS AND WINDOWS, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE WAS TRYING TO BREAK IN LIKE WE SAW A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

THIS WAS A DIFFERENT SITUATIONS, BUT START BANGING ON THE WINDOWS, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET NERVOUS.

PEOPLE SAY THINGS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS EXACTLY THE SAME SITUATION A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHERE PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO PUSH IN THE DOORS.

>> YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND MS. RODGERS IS PARANOID, SOMEBODY SHOWS UP AT ONE OF HER MANY HOUSES AND SHE'S ALREADY FILING LAWSUITS.

USING HER AS THE GUIDE POST, NOT SO MUCH.

TED: CAMRYN, 5501, IS THAT HOW IT'S PRONOUNCEED?

>> I TALKED TO THE ORGANIZERS SPECIFICALLY, THEIR THING WAS ABOUT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND A LOT OF ACTIONS THEY'VE DONE, BUT OVERALL, A LOT ABOUT CONCERN OVER ELON MUSK AND HIS ROLE IN THE NEW GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATION AND THE D.O.G.E.

COMMITTEE IN PARTICULAR AND THE EFFECT IT'S HAVING ON ARIZONANS ALREADY, THOUGH WE'RE NOT THAT FAR IN, AND SO THEY KIND OF COVERED A LOT OF DIFFERENT TOPICS WITH THAT.

I THINK IF I HAD TO PICK A MAIN POINT, THAT WAS THE MAIN POINT.

>> THE MAIN POINT OF BLOB?

>> YES.

TED: OKAY, HOWIE, WE'VE HAD, FOR LACK OF A BETTER PHRASE, A BOUNTY BILL AT THE LEGISLATURE, THE SENATOR IS SENATOR JAKE HOFFMAN.

>> BEHIND A CONTROVERSIAL BILL?

I'M SHOCKED.

AND WASN'T ABOUT BOUNTY ON REPORTERS.

THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE.

IMMIGRATION HAS BECOME THE GO TO ISSUE FOR REPUBLICANS HERE.

THEY SENSE THAT GIVEN THE FEDERAL ELECTION RESULTS, THE STATE ELECTION RESULTS WHERE, IN FACT, THE REPUBLICANS PICKED UP THE MAJORITY, THAT THE MESSAGE IS WE WANT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS OUT OF THE COUNTRY.

THERE IS SOME ISSUES IN TERMS OF WHAT THE STATE CAN DO.

THAT'S PART OF PROP 314 THAT WAS PASSED LAST YEAR.

WHAT THIS DOES IS SAYS TO POLICE OFFICERS OR POLICE AGENCIES, IF SOMEBODY YOU PICK UP ON A STATE CHARGE ENDS UP BEING ILLEGAL, AND IF, IN FACT, THEY ARE, THEN, SUBSEQUENTLY DEPORT, WE WILL GIVE YOUR POLICE AGENCY, NAME.

POLICEMAN, $2500.

AND THE WAY WE FUND IT IS HAVE A SURCHARGE ON FEES THAT GO TO INTERNATIONAL MONEY TRANSFERS, UNDER THE PRESUMPTION A LOT OF PEOPLE USING THIS ARE PEOPLE SENDING MONEY BACK TO FAMILIES IN MEXICO.

AND GOT CALLED RACIST, GOT CALLED A BUNCH OF THINGS.

THE WHOLE IDEA OF HAVING A BOUNTY IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION.

THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY LAW IN ARIZONA WHERE POLICE WOULD BE FINANCIALLY COMPENSATED FOR ENFORCING A LAW.

WE COULD TALK ABOUT PHOTO RADAR EVERYTHING AND ELSE, BUT NOT LIKE IF YOU PICK UP SO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, THE DEPARTMENT GETS X AMOUNT OF MONEY, NOT LIKE SPEEDERS GETTING EXTRA MONEY.

YOU PICKED UP SO MANY SPEEDERS, HERE'S SOMETHING MORE THAN A GOLD PIN.

THAT'S THE CONCERN, ONCE YOU PUT MONEY BEHIND IT, THAT'S THE DRIVING FORCE.

>> AS HOWIE MENTIONED, THE MONEY WOULD HAVE GONE TO THE OFFICER, THAT WAS A LITTLE TOO MUCH.

>> THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A BRIDGE TOO FAR, NOT THAT THE REST OF THE SYSTEM A BRIDGE TOO FAR.

THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS.

ARE YOU INCENTIVIZING LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO IGNORE CRIMES FOR THE SAKE OF GOING FOR OTHERS BECAUSE THERE IS A FINANCIAL BENEFIT TO THE DEPARTMENT?

WHAT DOES IT MEAN IN TERMS OF DO WE SEE MORE RACIAL PROFILING LIKE A COUPLE YEARS AGO, THAT'S A MOOT POINT BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR IS OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO SIGN IT.

HER SPOKESMAN CHRISTIAN SLATER WAS QUITE EMPHATIC ON IT.

>> CAN I SAY IT?

TED: YES.

>> HE SAID THERE'S NO WAY IN HELL.

TED: DEMOCRATS CALLING IN NEW AGE SLAVE PATROL.

>> JAKE HOFFMAN DOESN'T THINK THIS IS RACIST, DOESN'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM, HE THINKS IT'S FEAR MORNING AND WENDY ROGERS WAS ON THE COMMITTEE CALLED THE FEE NOMINAL.

THE FEE IS ANOTHER SEPARATE INTERESTING POINT BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY HIGH.

IT'S 5% ROUGHLY OF ANY TRANSFER OF $500 OR MORE THAN THAT, AND IT'S $25 PLUS 5% SURCHARGE ABOVE THAT.

>> SO YOU'RE STARTING WITH $25 AS A MINIMUM CHARGE.

>> KIND OF A LOT OF MONEY DEPENDING ON THE PERSON.

I SENT SOMEONE TO MEXICO, THEY SAID THAT'S NOT NEIGHBORLY AND SHOULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT PAYING A FEE.

>> INTERESTING SIDE NOTE.

WE HAVE A NEW LAW IN ARIZONA CONSTITUTION, IF YOU INCREASE STATE REVENUE, TAXES, SURCHARGES, FEES OR WHATEVER, YOU NEED A TWO-THIRDS VOTE OF THE LEGISLATURE.

THAT PROVISION IS NOT IN THIS BILL BUT HARD TO SEE HOW IT WOULD NOT TRIGGER THAT.

JUST TO GET IT TO GOVERNOR HOBBS' DESK, YOU NEED A LOT OF DEMOCRATS WHO OBVIOUSLY GET ZERO OF THEM.

TED: WOULD THAT APPLY, DO YOU THINK?

>> THE QUESTION IS THE MONEY DOES NOT GO TO THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS WHAT THE PROPOSITION REQUIRES.

THE MONEY WOULD GO INTO A SPECIAL ACCOUNT MAINTAINED BY TREASURER KIMBERLY YEE AND GIVE IT UP WHEN SHE GOT CERTIFICATION FROM IMMIGRATIONS AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT THAT A CERTAIN PERSON HAD BEEN DEPORTED.

IS THAT INCREASE IN STATE REVENUES?

ASSUMING THE BILL WERE TO BE SIGNED, IT WOULD MAKE A FASCINATING COURT CASE.

TED: WE GOT THE VERDICT ON THAT.

CAMRYN, THE STATE CENSUS, THIS IS SENATOR JAKE HOFFMAN AGAIN, THE IDEA OF THE STATE GOING AHEAD AND COUNTING FOLKS AS OPPOSED TO WAITING FOR THE FEDS TO DO IT BY WAIVE THE FEDERAL CENSUS, ET CETERA.

WHY DOES HE WANT THIS?

>> JAKE HOFFMAN IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE IDEA OF NONCITIZENS BEING COUNTED IN THE CENSUS AND BECAME A POINT OF CONTENTION BETWEEN HIM AND ANOTHER SENATOR WHO POINTED IT OUT.

THE CENSUS LANGUAGE SAYS COUNTING PERSONS OR PEOPLE, NOT ABOUT CITIZENSHIP, THEY'RE NOT COMING TO INQUIRE.

THEY'RE TRYING TO COUNT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND HE ACCUSED HER OF BEING A DEMOCRAT PLOT TO OVERTHROW REPUBLICANS, BUT HE WANTS US TO NOT HAVE, FOLLOW THE UNITED STATES CENSUS SYSTEM AND HAVE OUR OWN CENSUS SYSTEM WHERE THE PEOPLE KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR ARE CHECKING CITIZENSHIP STATUS.

TED: AND HOWIE, HOW WOULD THIS AFFECT THE STATE LEGISLATURE?

>> THAT'S THE KEY.

NOTHING IN THERE WOULD ALLOW NONCITIZENS TO VOTE.

THAT'S ESTABLISHED.

THE IDEA IS IF, IN FACT, YOU HAVE 30 DISTRICTS, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE 7.5 MILLION PEOPLE, DIVIDE THAT BY 30, YOU DECIDE THAT BY THE LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT.

IF YOU'RE NOT COUNTING PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HERE ILLEGALLY, THAT ADJUSTS THE SIZE OF THE LEGISLATURE TO GET THE NUMBER TO THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

DISTRICTS WITH FAIRLY LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT CITIZENS OR HISPANICS WHO ARE AFRAID TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION WILL END UP HAVING TO BE LARGER, A POWER SHIFT TO MORE REPUBLICAN DISTRICTS.

THAT'S CRUCIAL.

TED: THE REPUBLICAN ARGUMENT IS THAT SOME DISTRICTS ARE OVERREPRESENTED?

>> SOME DO BELIEVE THAT.

IF YOU'VE WATCHED THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS, YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTS, THEY HAVE TO PUT ROUGHLY EQUAL POPULATIONS IN THE DISTRICTS, BUT IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF REGISTERED VOTERS OF PEOPLE VOTING, THOSE SWING WILDLY FROM DISTRICT TO DISTRICT, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNDER FEDERAL LAW MAJORITY, MINORITY DISTRICTS, HEAVILY DEMOCRATIC, THEY HAVE TO PACK A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE DISTRICTS TO HAVE ENOUGH VOTERS TO GET THE OUTCOME THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.

IF YOU TAKE NONCITIZENS OUT OF THE EQUATION, YOU HAVE TO PUT IN DEMOCRATS FROM OTHER DISTRICTS, REPUBLICANS FROM OTHER DISTRICTS, DILUTE THE DEMOCRATIC VOTING POWER, THIS IS POTENTIALLY DEVASTATING FOR DEMOCRATS IN THE LEGISLATIVE REDISTRICTING.

>> WHERE DO YOU STOP?

IF WE'RE DOING THIS BASED ON VOTING POPULATION, PEOPLE ARE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE, SHOULD WE DISCOUNT CHILDREN?

SO IN OTHER WORDS, SUN CITY WOULD HAVE ONE COUNT BECAUSE THERE ARE NO CHILDREN LITERALLY LIVING IN SUN CITY AS OPPOSED TO IN CENTRAL PHOENIX?

WHERE DO YOU DECIDE THIS?

THE CENSUS, AS CAMRYN POINTS OUT, IS NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

AND NONE OF THIS WOULD AFFECT CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS, THAT WOULD DETERMINED BY THE U.S. CENSUS.

TED: WHICH DOES NOT ASK ABOUT CITIZENSHIP, WHICH IS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT HERE.

AND SHOULD MENTION THAT THIS WILL NOT GET A GOVERNOR'S VETO BECAUSE IT'S GOING ON STRAIGHT TO BALLOT, CORRECT?

HOW DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO VOTE ON THIS?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE CONFUSED AND VOTE NO OR SECURING OUR STATE FROM NONCITIZENS AND VOTE YET BECAUSE THE TEMPERATURE ON IMMIGRATION AS WE NOTED IN THE LAST ELECTION IS PEOPLE REALLY CARE ABOUT THAT.

WILL PEOPLE TIE THAT TO THIS OR BE CONFUSED ABOUT WHY WE NEED OUR OWN CENSUS?

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE.

MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING VOTERS FACTOR IN.

TED: WHAT DO YOU THINK?

IMMIGRATION IS TOP EVERY TWO YEARS AND CERTAINLY EVERY FOUR, SEEMS LIKE IT'S TOP OF MIND.

IS THIS SOMETHING PEOPLE SAY WHY NOT ASK FOR CITIZENSHIP?

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE MIGHT DO THAT.

MIGHT BE CONFUSED WHY, DO WE NEED TO SPEND MILLIONS ON SECOND CENSUS WHEN THERE IS ALREADY ONE?

YOU GET INTO THE NITTY-GRITTY DETAILS.

ARE PEOPLINGE GOING TO SAY NONCITIZENS SHOULDN'T BE REPRESENTED, THIS IS DUPLICATIVE, WHY DO WE NEED MORE?

>> IT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF THE FUNDS FROM THE CITIZENS CLEAN ELECTION COMMISSION, FUNDED BY SURCHARGES ON TRAFFIC TICKETS AND CIVIL FINES, CERTAIN OTHER KINDS OF REGISTRATION FEES.

THERE ISN'T ENOUGH IN THERE TO FUND THIS, BUT THAT'S THE ARGUMENT.

IT'S NOT TAXPAYER MONEY, IT'S JUST FOLKS WHO WOULD OTHERWISE BE USING IT TO RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE ON TAXPAYER EXPENSE.

>> ALSO, I'M NOT SURE WHO WOULD ACTUALLY CONDUCT THESE STATE-ONLY CENSUS, AN ENTIRE CENSUS BUREAU FOR TEN YEARS GEARING UP FOR THIS.

>> YOU'RE ASSUMING IT'S THE CENSUS BUREAU GIVEN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER.

>> THE CYBER NINJAS -- >> LET'S MOVE ON.

SENATE PRESIDENT WARREN PETERSEN IS ASKING THE BIDEN -- HOLY SMOKES, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TO REVOKE WHAT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION DID WITH THE NATIONAL MONUMENT AT GRAND CANYON, TALK TO US ABOUT THIS.

>> MY UNDERSTANDING A LOT OF NATIONAL MONUMENTS ARE POTENTIALLY ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION, ONE IN UTAH, A COUPLE IN ARIZONA.

THE MOST RECENT ONE DESIGNATED IS THE INCESTRAL FOOTPRINTS IN THE GRAND CANYON AREA, AND FROM THE GET-GO, REPUBLICANS WERE NOT PLEASED ABOUT THE DESIGNATION.

IT'S A DECENT CHUNK OF LAND AND AFFECTS URANIUM MINING, IN A BAD WAY IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN BECAUSE IT LIMITS WHO CAN MINE URANIUM THERE.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT TRIBAL COMMUNITIES WANTED THAT DESIGNATION BECAUSE IT'S AN IMPORTANT PLACE BECAUSE URANIUM AND MINING IS DANGEROUS, IT CAN GET INTO THE WATER SUPPLY AND CAUSES CANCER PRESUMABLY WHICH THOSE IN THE TRIBES DO NOT APPRECIATE.

THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS CURRENTLY REVIEWING, I BELIEVE, SUPPOSED TO COME OUT WITH A LIST OF RECOMMENDATION WHAT TO AX IN TERMS OF THE NATIONAL MONUMENTS.

>> WE SHOULD POINT OUT THAT'S ALL VERY IMPORTANT AND GERMANE, BUT A COURT SAID YOU DON'T HAVE STAINING FOR THIS?

>> THAT'S THE LAWSUIT THEY DON'T HAVE A STANDING FOR.

IN TERMS OF GETTING COURT OVER TO IT, YOU'RE RIGHT.

HE'S GOING DIRECTLY TO THE PRESIDENT AND SAYING DO IT.

NOW TO BE FAIR, I HAVE LOOKED.

I HAVE NOT FOUND INTO AUTHORITY THAT SAYS A FUTURE PRESIDENT CAN UNDO A PAST PRESIDENT'S DESIGNATION OF A NATIONAL MONUMENT.

THERE IS AUTHORITY FOR CONGRESS TO ADJUST THE BOUNDARIES OF NATIONAL MONUMENTS.

ASSUMING HE DOES THAT UP IN UTAH, YOU HAVE LITIGATION AND END UP IN THE SUPREME COURT IN TERMS OF WHAT IS THE POWER OF A PRESIDENT TO RESCIND A MONUMENT?

THIS GOES BACK TO THE EARLY 1900s WHERE CONGRESS GAVE THE PRESIDENT SPECIFICALLY WITHOUT LIMIT PRETTY MUCH, THE AUTHORITY TO DESIGNATE NATIONAL MONUMENTS.

NOT NATIONAL PARKS BUT NATIONAL MONUMENTS.

PRIVATE LAND IN NATIONAL MONUMENTS, WHAT'S ALLOWED IN TERMS OF MINING AND GRAZING, ALL THAT STUFF CAN BE DECIDED ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS, BUT CONGRESS GAVE THE PRESIDENT THAT SPECIFIC POWER.

TED: JEREMY, ARE WE LIKELY TO SEE A DOWNSIZE AT BEST?

SOMETHING IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE AREA, ISN'T IT?

>> I WOULD THINK SO, THIS STRIKES ME AS SOMETHING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND THE INTERIOR DEPARTMENT WILL BE RECEPTIVE.

THIS IS A DOWN THE MIDDLE PARTISAN ISSUE.

WILL WE SEE LITIGATION, MORE COURT FIGHTS OVER IT?

PROBABLY.

THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS NOT SHIED AWAY FROM TRYING TO TEST THE LIMITS OF EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY SO FAR AND WOULDN'T EXPECT IT IN THIS CASE.

>> THE SENATOR CALLED IT UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAND GRAB.

>> THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE LANGUAGE ABOUT NATIONAL MONUMENT DESIGNATIONS, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO PICK THE SMALLEST POSSIBLE AREA AND SAYING BIDEN DIDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S SO BIG.

OBVIOUSLY BIDEN DISAGREES WITH THAT.

IT'S A MATTER OF YOUR OPINION.

>> BOY, THE POINT HAS BEEN A COUPLE OF RULINGS ON THE BEAR ZEERS CASE, THE JUDGE SAID WHAT'S THE SMALLEST POSSIBLE MONUMENT?

I DON'T SEE THE JUDGE SAYING I AM GOING TO SECOND-GUESS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WHAT IS THE SMALLEST POSSIBLE AREA.

TED: ALL RIGHT, JEREMY, WHO IS JEANETTE GARCIA AND WHY DOES TOM HANKS CARE?

>> I'M NOT SURE IF TOM HANKS DOES CARE.

SHE SEEMS TO CARE ABOUT TOM HANKS, CITY COUNCIL MEMBER IN AVONDALE, SUPPORTER OF PRESIDENT TRUMP NOT A FAN OF TOM HANKS ON RECENT "SNL," REVISITING BLACK JEOPARDY SKIT, TRADEMARK RED MAGA CAP, AND AT THE END OF THE SKIT, HESITANT TO SHAKE THE BLACK HOST'S HAND.

SHE TOOK ISSUE WITH THE PORE TRAIL OF A PRESIDENT TRUMP SUPPORTER AS RACIST.

SHE VOICED THIS IN AN UNUSUAL WAY REFERRING TO TOM HANKS AS A PEDO IN HER TWEET AND PROBABLY WOULD HAVE DIED RIGHT THERE, GOTTEN PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE PHOENIX AREA ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO AVONDALE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, ELON MUSK NOTICED.

WHEN ELON MUSK RETWEETS YOU, THAT GETS MORE ATTENTION.

TED: WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

>> REPEAT OVER THE YEARS WITH TOM HANKS.

HE PLAYED A -- GOING TO GET IN TROUBLE -- TYPICALLY IGNORANT WHITE CRACKER MAGA SUPPORTER -- TED: TYPICALLY GOT YOU IN TROUBLE, EVERYTHING ELSE WAS ALL RIGHT.

>> OKAY, CALL TED IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION HERE.

AND MADE HIM ASIDE FROM REFUSING TO INITIALLY SHAKE THE HAND OF THE BLACK HOST, MADE HIM LOOK KIND OF STUPID AND SUCH.

IT'S HUMOR, IT'S SATIRE, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SAY IT MADE US LOOK BAD.

US MEANING MAGA SUPPORTERS.

TED: THERE'S A LOT OF SATIRE AND A LOT OF COMEDY GOING AROUND.

PEOPLE AREN'T CALLED PEDOPHILES FOR DOING IT.

OR DID SHE CALL HIM A PEDOPHILE?

[LAUGHTER] >> SO ELON MUSK REPOSTED HER MESSAGE WITH THE FIRE EMOJI, FIRE, THIS IS SO COOL, AND SHE RESPONDED YES, BUT A FEW DAYS LATER AFTER THIS GOT MEDIA ATTENTION AND SHE POTENTIALLY REALIZED SHE COULD BE IN TROUBLE FOR SAYING SOMETHING, SHE SAID, OH, PEDO IS ALSO A SPANISH WORD FOR FART, INTERPRETING THAT BASED ON THE TWEET, I DON'T KNOW ANYONE WOULD COME TO THAT CONCLUSION.

THERE'S A CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT I JUST LEARNED ABOUT THAT GREEK PEOPLE ARE ATTACHED TO PEDOPHILIA CONSPIRACY BECAUSE IT'S CONSIDERED DISABILITY AND TOM HANKS AND HIS WIFE WERE GRANTED GREEK CITIZENSHIP BECAUSE THEY HELPED RAISE AWARENESS FOR A WILDFIRE.

>> VERY QAnon.

>> WHICH IS THE ORIGIN OF THIS, WHICH I DON'T THINK MEANT THE WORD FART.

TED: WHEN IT WAS POSTED BY ELON MUSK, THAT'S ME, THANKS FOR SHARING AND SHOWING THE WORLD.

DOESN'T SEEM TO BE BACKING OFF TOO MUCH THEN BUT DOING IT NOW.

>> A COUPLE OF DAYS OF BAD PUBLICITY DOES THAT SOMETIMES.

TED: YEAH.

>> AND SOMEWHERE THERE'S A LINE.

WE'VE ALL GOTTEN TO THE POINT YOU CAN'T MAKE FUN OF THIS.

I'M SORRY, I HAVE BEEN COVERING GOVERNMENT NOW FOR MORE THAN 50 YEARS.

YOU HAVE TO MAKE FUN OF A LOT OF THIS STUFF OTHERWISE IT WILL DRIVE YOURSELF CRAZY.

DOES IT GET US IN TROUBLE?

RAISE EYEBROWS?

SURE, YOU DON'T SUE OVER IT.

YOU DON'T CALL PEOPLE PEDOS, WHETHER SHE'S CALLING HIM A FART OR PEDOPHILE.

WE ALL LOST OUR SENSITIVITY ON THIS.

TED: I THINK I LOST CONTROL OF THE SHOW, THE WAY THE CONVERSATION -- BEFORE WE GO, HEADLINE FOR NEXT FRIDAY?

>> NEXT FRIDAY, MORE BILLS COMING, MORE VETOES COMING.

TED: INTERESTING, CAM, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> HOBBS HAS TO FIND A NEW HOUSING DIRECTOR.

TED: WE DIDN'T GET INTO ALL THAT.

>> FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE SEPTEMBER THE DIRECTOR NOMINATIONS CONVENED AFTER HOBBS LOST THE LONG RUNNING COURT FIGHT, WHETHER SHE COULD IGNORE THE SENATE CONFIRMATION PROCESS, THE COURT SAID SHE CAN'T, SHE HAD TO SUBMIT HER DIRECTORS BACK TO THE SENATE, FIRST HEARING ON THAT WENT MUCH MORE SMOOTHLY THAN THE PREVIOUS ONCE.

NEXT ONES NOT SO SMOOTHLY.

TED: THAT'S WHAT WE'LL FIND OUT NEXT FRIDAY.

PANEL, GOOD DISCUSSION, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.