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>>> COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE CONTROVERSIAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING BILL IN THE ARIZONA STARTER HOMES ACT.

>>> AND WE'LL LOOK AT A PROGRAM THAT FOCUSES ON SENIORS AND THEIR HEALTH AND SOCIALIZATION AND THEIR SAFETY.

>>> AND CELEBRATING THE 20th ANNIVERSARY OF SHOWCASING LOCAL ARTISTS AND ART IN ITS STORE.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

>> TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M STEVE GOLDSTEIN FILLING IN FOR TED SIMONS TONIGHT.

IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WILL BE SOME RELIEF FROM THE TARIFFS PLACED ON CANADA AND MEXICO YESTERDAY.

A ONE MONTH EXEMPTION ON STIFF NEW TARIFFS FOR AUTOMAKERS IN FEAR THAT THE TRADE WAR COULD HARM MANUFACTURERS.

IT CAME AFTER TRUMP SPOKE WITH FORD, GENERAL MOTORS AND TELL ATLANTIS ON WEDNESDAY.

HE SAID WE'LL GIVE A ONE MONTH EXEMPTION FOR ANY AUTOS COMING FROM THE TRADE AGREEMENT HE RENEGOTIATED IN HIS FIRST TERM.

THE STOCK MARKET REACTED FAVORABLY THAT THE PRESIDENT WILL CARVE OUT EXEMPTIONS FOR AUTO MANUFACTURING.

THE DOW JONES INDUSTRIALS WAS UP BY 845 POINTS ERASING SOME OF THE LOSSES OVER THE PAST TWO DAYS.

THE S&P 500 ADDED 1.2% AND THE NASDAQ WAS UP 1.6%.

>>> THE U.S. COURT REJECTED A TRUMP ADMINISTRATION PLAN TO REVIEW A FEDERAL JUDGE TO IMPOSE A QUICK DEADLINE TO RELEASE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF FEDERAL AID.

THE COURT TOLD U.S. DISTRICT JUDGE TO CLARIFY ITS EARLY HARD TO REQUIRE REQUIRED THE REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION TO RELEASE NEARLY $2 BILLION IN AID FOR WORK THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE.

JUSTICE ALITO LED FOUR CONSERVATIVE JUDGES IN DESCENT SAYING I'LL RELAX THE AUTHORITY TO PAY THE PAYMENTS.

>>> DEMOCRATIC LAWMAKERS ARE WARNING THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO LAY OFF 70,000 CIVILIAN WORKERS, MANY OF THEM VETERANS.

SENATOR RICHARD BLUMENTHAL SAID LAYOFFS COULD OCCUR IN EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE AND INFORMATION SECURITY.

HE SAYS THE LAYOFFS WILL INEVITABLY IMPACT DEFENSE READINESS, END QUOTE.

>>> A LAW PASSED IN 2022 TO BAN ABORTIONS AFTER 15 WEEKS OF PREGNANCY HAS BEEN RULED UNCONSTITUTIONAL BY A MARICOPA COUNTY SUPREME COURT.

THE RULING ERASES THE LAW THAT HAD BEEN IN PLACE DESPITE BY LAWS PASSED BY VOTERS LAST NOVEMBER THAT CREATED A RIGHT TO ABORTION IN ARIZONA.

THE JUDGE SAID THE RULING WAS MADE EASIER BECAUSE NO PARTY DEFENDED THE 15-WEEK BAN IN COURT.

>>> THE ARIZONA STARTER HOMES ACT HAS BEEN THE CENTER OF DISCUSSION ON HOUSING AFFORDABILITY FOR FAMILIES BUT CITIES SAY THE BILL WILL HARM EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.

TONIGHT WE WELCOME BUCKEYE MAYOR OSBORNE.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

>> PLEASURE TO BE HERE.

THANKS, STEVE.

>> IT'S A SIMILAR BILL THAT GOVERNOR HOBBS VETOED IN THE LAST SESSION.

WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERN BESIDE THAT LEGISLATION THAT'S STILL GOING FORTH?

>> IT'S ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THAT BILL.

I THINK THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE CHANGE IN BUILDING ADJACENT TO THE DEFENSE PROPERTY.

SO WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS STACK IN DENSITIES ADJACENT TO A PLACE LIKE A LUKE AIR FORCE BASE.

THE ISSUES THAT THE CITIES HAVE WITH THE BILL IS FIRST OFF WE'D LIKE IF TO ACTUALLY BE STARTER HOMES AND GUARANTEE THAT IF PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR THE FIRST HOME HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUY IT AND IT DOESN'T GET SNATCHED UP BY AN INVESTOR OR WALL WALL STREET COMPANY THAT'S COMING IN AND MAKING AN INVESTMENT TO A COMMUNITY.

THE SECOND IS THE ABILITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO HAVE A SAY.

SO WHEN I AM -- A LOT OF TIMES IT'S THE LEGISLATURE VERSUS THE CITY, AND IT'S REALLY NOT.

WE REPRESENT THE CITIZENS OF OUR -- OF THE CITY OF BUCKEYE OR ANY OTHER CITY.

I THINK ANY OTHER MAYOR WILL TELL YOU THE EXACT SAME THING.

WE HAVE GONE THROUGH PAINSTAKING PROCESS TO DO A GENERAL PLAN EVERY 10 YEARS WHERE THE VOTERS HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WANT OUR COMMUNITY TO LOOK LIKE.

AND WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO THAT BY STATE LAW.

THAT INFORMS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE DECISIONS, IT INFORMS HOW MUCH REVENUE WE NEED TO PAY FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

IT INFORMS HOW BIG THE ROADWAYS WILL BE, THE WATER, THE SEWER, YOU NAME IT, ALL IT IS BASED ON THAT GENERAL PLAN, AND WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO WORK WITHIN THAT GENERAL PLAN, IT'S A FREE FOR ALL.

AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT.

>> I'M REALLY STRUCK RECENTLY BY THE CITIES AND TOWNS AND BY VIRTUE OF THAT, MAYORS, COUNCILS HAVE BEEN BLAMED BY A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE LEGISLATURE AS IT RELATES TO STARTER HOMES SAYING, WAIT A SECOND, THE COSTS THAT ARE ADDED TO, THIS THE LACK OF AFFORDABILITY, THEY'RE PUTTING A LOT OF BLAME ON CITIES AND TOWNS, IT SEEMS, WHEN THIS HAS BEEN A NATIONAL, MAYBE AN INTERNATIONAL PROBLEM.

HOW DO YOU FEEL THAT CRITICISM BEEN DIRECTED?

I PRESUME YOU DON'T LIKE TO?

>> YEAH, IT DOES SEEM LIKE THEY'RE BLAMING THE CITIES AND TOWNS, AND COULD I COME BACK ON THAT AND SAY BUCK HIGH BEEN ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING CITIES IN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS AND WE HAVE BEEN THAT PLACE FOR STARTER HOMES.

WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY MADE DEVELOPMENT EASIER BY MAKING MORE EFFICIENT PROCESSES AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPABLE LAND.

WE HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE, AND COSTS HAVE GONE NEW THAT TIME.

SO IT'S NOT THE CITIES AND TOWNS THAT ARE CREATING THE ADDITIONAL COSTS IN HOUSING.

THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT ARE A PART OF THAT, AND MANY OF THEM ARE COMPLETELY OUT OF OUR CONTROL EITHER AS A CITY, A TOWN OR A STATE.

>> AND THERE'S ANOTHER PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT HAS AT LEAST BEEN INTRODUCED AT THE LEGISLATURE.

HOW DIFFERENT WOULD THIS BE FROM THE LEGISLATION WE DISCUSSED AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE CONVERSATION AND WHY DO YOU LIKE THIS ONE?

>> WE LIKE THIS ONE BECAUSE IT'S ACTUAL STARTER HOMES.

AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

SO IT PUTS PARAMETERS IN THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BUYING THE HOME ARE GONNA THE ONCE THAT ARE LIVING IN IT.

AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

THAT'S THE ENTIRE INTENT HERE, TO GET NEW HOMEBUYERS IN AND GET THEM IN THE GAME OF BUILDING EQUITY.

IT ALSO ALLOWS A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL ON THE CITY SIDE AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S NOT JUST A FREE FOR ALL, AND YOU CAN BUILD GARDEN STYLE APARTMENT ENTITIES WHEREVER YOU WANT WHENEVER YOU WANT.

IT STILL HAS SOME OF THE ATTRIBUTES OF COMMUNITY IN THERE, SO THE OPEN SPACES, THE PARKS, THE LANDSCAPING AND SOME OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS SO THAT WE'RE NOT BUILDING WHAT COULD LOOK LIKE BEAR AS IN THE FUTURE.

-- BAKE RICKS IN THE FUTURE.

>> THERE'S A DISCUSSION THAT CITIES, CITY PLANNERS, DEVELOPERS AND RESIDENTS -- IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THERE COULD BE AGREEMENT AMONG ALL THESE GROUPS WHERE THERE IS SOME SATISFACTION, SOME ACTUAL GIVE AND TAKE, OR ARE YOU WORRIED BASED ON HOW THE LAST SESSION WENT, EVEN NOTE GOVERNOR STREET TOAD AND AGAIN, AS WE MENTIONED, SIMILAR LEGISLATION IS STILL ALIVE THAT TIME.

DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE MESSAGE IS NOT QUITE GETTING THROUGH TO SOME LAWMAKERS.

>> NOT QUITE THROUGH TO SOME LAWMAKERS BUT WE ARE HAVING GOOD DISCUSSIONS, AND WE REALLY NEED TO CONTINUE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AS THESE BILLS MOVE THROUGH COMMITTEES AND THROUGH CONVERSATIONS.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR FIND SOME MIDDLE GROUND ON A LOT OF THESE ISSUES AND CREATING SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR STARTER HOMES AND PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN TO BUY THEIR FIRST HOME THAT WORKS FOR THE CITY, THE PLANNERS, THE RESIDENTS, AND THEN GIVES THE LEGISLATURE THE WIN THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.

>> AND BRIEFLY ON THIS ONE, HOW DO YOU CRAFT LEGISLATION THAT COULD APPLY TO CITIES THAT ARE WITH A 70,000 POPULATION AND THEN THE CITY OF PHOENIX.

IS THERE SOME WAY TO COME TOGETHER ON THAT?

>> DIFFERENT LEGISLATION FOR DIFFERENT SIZED CITIES?

>> WELL, CAN YOU HAVE THE SAME LEGISLATION THAT ENCOMPASS AS LARGE AND SMALL CITY?

>> THAT'S DIFFICULT.

THAT'S WHY WE TALK ABOUT LOCAL CONTROL ALL THE TIME AND MAKING SURE THAT -- EVERY CITY IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

WE'RE VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE CITY OF PHOENIX, WHO IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM SNOWFLAKE AND TAYLOR.

BUT WHEN YOU MAKE THESE BLANKET LAWS, EVERYBODY HAS TO LIVE BY THAT.

SO WE THINK THE BEST IS LOCAL CONTROL, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THESE LOCAL ISSUES.

WE'RE CLOSEST TO THE RESIDENTS AND CITIZENS THAT ARE DOING THE VOTING, AND THEY CAN VOTE FOR US OR NOT FOR US EVERY FOUR YEARS.

>> OKAY.

MAYOR, GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE.

THANKS SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>> IS TONIGHT IS PART OUR AARP SEGMENT THAT HIGHLIGHTS ISSUES IMPORTANT TO OLDER ADULTS IN ARIZONA.

WE'RE LOOKING AT A PROGRAM CALLED NEIGHBORS HELPING NEIGHBORS.

THIS ENCOURAGES VOLUNTEERS TO HELP SENIORS IN THE COMMUNITY AND ASSIST THEM WITH THEIR HEALTH, SOCIAL ISOLATION AND SAFETY.

JOINING US TO TELL US MORE ABOUT THIS PROGRAM IS CARRIE, DIRECTOR OF MISSION ADVANCEMENT AT TCAA.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> NEIGHBORS HELPING NEIGHBORS, HOW DID IT START, AND WHAT'S THE ACTUAL GOAL OF IT?

>> SO NEIGHBORS HELPING NEIGHBORS ACTUALLY STARTED AS A SEPARATE ORGANIZATION IN TEMPE CONCERNED FOR THE SENIOR POPULATION TO CONNECT THEM TO THE COMMUNITY.

TCAA PARTNERED WITH THEM AND EVENTUALLY TOOK THEM UNDER OUR UMBRELLA AND MADE IN ONE OF OUR PROGRAMS.

>> OKAY.

HOW MUCH OF IT IS VOLUNTEER-DRIVEN ANY KNOW THERE'S HEALTHCARE INVOLVED, AS WELL.

ARE THERE TRAINED HEALTHCARE WORKERS IN ADDITION TO COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERS?

HOW DOES THAT ALL WORK?

>> OUR NEIGHBORS HELPING NEIGHBORS PROGRAM IS STAFFED WITH COMMUNITY WORKERS.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE KNOWN BY THE COMMUNITY AND TRUSTED BY THE COMMUNITY THAT CAN CONNECT TO THOSE KIND OF COMPLEX SYSTEMS OF BENEFITS AND HEALTHCARE, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE LOW INCOME AND MAY BE KIND OF SEPARATED FROM A PRIMARY CARE DOCTOR, MAYBE DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TO ACCESS THEIR BENEFITS OR HOW TO PICK UP PRESCRIPTIONS, WHAT THEIR PRESCRIPTIONS ARE FOR, HOW TO ORGANIZE ALL OF THAT.

JUST ANOTHER WAY OF MAKING SURE THAT THAT BRIDGE BETWEEN A COMMUNITY MEMBER AND THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM EXISTS.

AND THEN ONCE WE ARE SURE THAT SENIOR IS SAFE AND ON THE ROAD TO BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE INDEPENDENT, WE THEN MATCH THEM WITH A VOLUNTEER THAT PROVIDES RIDES, COMPANIONSHIP, WHATEVER THAT SENIOR MIGHT NEED.

AND WE MATCH, BASED ON THE NEEDS OF THE VOLUNTEER AND THE NEEDS OF THE SENIOR.

>> SO I'M WONDERING WHEN WE'RE IN A POSITION LIKE THIS RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE SEEING THINGS CHANGE AND MORE OLDER PEOPLE, AND PEOPLE ARE LIVING LONGER, HOW IMPORTANT IS IT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO BE IN PLACE EVEN MORE SO THAN IT EVER WAS BEFORE, NEIGHBORS HELPING NEIGHBORS?

THE FACT THAT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S MORE OF A NEED GENERALLY IN THE COMMUNITY FOR THIS SORT OF SERVICE.

>> THERE IS.

AND WE ARE SEEING SENIORS IN NEED IN ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS ACROSS TCAA, WHETHER IT'S MEALS ON WHEELS, NEIGHBORS HELPING NEIGHBORS, OUR SENIOR CENTER LUNCHES THAT WE PROVIDE, EVEN ON OUR FOOD PANTRY, AND WE DELIVER FOOD BOXES TO SENIORS, WE ARE ALSO SEEING THEM AS THE FASTEST RISING DEMOGRAPHIC IN SHELTER.

WE DO RUN A SHELTER AND SEEING MORE AND MORE SENIORS IN SHELTER.

AS THE POPULATION GROWS OLDER AND FIXED INCOMES BECOME LESS COMPARED TO INFLATION AND HIGHER RENT PRICES, WE ARE SEEING MORE SENIORS IN NEED, AND IT DOES BECOME A VERY CRITICAL NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY.

>> AND HOW DOES THIS PLAY A ROLE IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO STAY IN THEIR OWN HOMES, AGING IN PLACE, FOR EXAMPLE.

HOW MUCH DOES THIS PLAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

>> THAT'S THE GOAL, TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE AGING SAFELY IN PLACE, SO THAT THEY HAVE THE TOOLS AND SUPPORT TO AGE IN A SAFE WAY.

WE HAVE 30 OF THESE THAT ARE OUT WITH SENIORS, AND THEY'RE VERY SIMPLE.

THEY'RE SET UP WITH BIG BUTTONS ON THE SCREEN.

WE TEACH THEM HOW TO USE IT.

THEY COME WITH THEIR OWN INTERNET, SO THEY'RE NOT DEPENDENT ON SOMEBODY HAVING INTERNET IN THEIR HOME, AND IT'S A WAY FOR THEM TO COMMUNICATE WITH OUR STAFF.

IT'S A WAY THAT THEY CAN COMMUNICATE WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS, BECAUSE WE CAN DO THINGS LIKE FACETIME, AND WE TEACH THEM HOW TO USE IT, AND WE SET UP A TABLET BASED ON THE SENIOR'S NEEDS.

IF THE SENIOR HAS A PARTICULAR CHURCH, AND THEY WANT THE CHURCH'S WEBSITE SAVED ON THERE, WE CAN ADD THAT AS A BUTTON THAT THEY CAN THEN SEE SERVICE TIMES AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR COMMUNITY.

>> THAT'S EXCITING BECAUSE -- NOT TO JOKE ABOUT IT BUT IT'S NOT LIKE ONE OF THESE BUT THE TONS, I'VE FALLEN AND CAN'T GET UP.

IT'S ACTUALLY SO MANY OTHER ELEMENTS.

IT'S VERY EXCITING.

>> CORRECT.

AND A WAY TO KIND OF REDUCE THAT ISOLATION, AND WE CAN ADD APPS.

THEY CAN DOWNLOAD GAMES, THEY CAN PLAY GAMES.

IN FACT, ONE OF THE FAVORITE APPS IS TIKTOK.

AND SO THEY'RE LEARNING NOT ONLY THE TECHNOLOGY, BUT IT'S CONNECTING THEM.

A LOT OF THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES DON'T LIVE HERE.

THEY CAN THEN FACETIME, THEY CAN EMAIL, THEY CAN DO ALL OF THAT, AND WE HELP THEM LEARN HOW TO DO THAT.

>> LAST QUESTION.

THIS CAN INVOLVE ANYTHING FROM HAVING MEAL PREPARATION OR MEAL ASSISTANCE, BUT ALSO IF THERE'S FRANKLY A HEALTH SITUATION THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF VERY QUICKLY BY USING THE TABLET THAT CAN REALLY CONNECT ALL OF THESE THINGS.

>> IT DOES, AND OUR COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKERS CHECK IN, IF THEY'RE PART OF OUR MEALS ON WHEELS, OUR DRIVERS ARE THERE EVERY WEEKDAY DELIVERING A MEAL, WE DO CATCH A LOT OF THINGS FOR SENIORS WHETHER IT'S A MEMORY ISSUE, A FALL.

WE HAVE A SENIOR THAT WAS GONNA SPEAK AT AN EVENT OF OURS, THE COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKER WENT TO PICK HER UP, AND SHE WAS DIZZY.

SO WE WERE THEN ABLE TO GET HER MEDICAL ATTENTION.

>> THAT'S EXCITING.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

GOOD LUCK.

>> THANK YOU.

THANKS.

>>> THE ART BOUTIQUE IN PHOENIX IS CELEBRATING ITS 20th ANNIVERSARY OF SUPPORTING ITS LOCAL ART COMMUNITY.

THEY'VE SHOWCASED OVER 200 ARTISTS AND HELD EXHIBITIONS AND WORKSHOPS THAT PROMOTE COMMUNITY EXPRESSION AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

WE WELCOME THE CO-OWNER CINDY DASH.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> 20 YEARS AGO, ROOSEVELT ROW IS A REAL THING AND HAS BEEN FOR A WHILE BUT NOT QUITE AS MUCH 20 YEARS AGO.

WHAT WAS IT LIKE TO START THIS THEN AT A TIME WHEN MAYBE NOT EVERYBODY WAS THAT EXCITED ABOUT THAT AREA OF COMMUNITY?

>> GREAT QUESTION.

BACK THEN THE FIRST THING WAS LANDSCAPE.

WE HAD A LOT OF VACANT PARCELS AND SHORTLY BEFORE WE STARTED, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO THE AREA WITH THE NEXT FOOTBALL STADIUM.

SO THERE WAS A LOT OF ACTIVITY AND A LOT OF ARTISTS BUT ALSO AN AREA THAT MANY USED TO DESCRIBE AS ONE WITH A LOT OF MISSING TEETH.

>> SO WHEN YOU DECIDED TO DO MADE-SELF.

OBVIOUSLY YOU CARE ABOUT ART, YOU THINK IT'S WONDERFUL.

WHAT IS THE CONNECTION THAT AN ARTIST CAN BRING TO A COMMUNITY, AND WHY WAS THAT IMPORTANT?

>> AT THAT TIME, WE WERE STARTING TO SEE A LOT OF GALLERIES WITH BIG PAINTINGS ON A LARGER SCALE BUT WHAT WE WEREN'T SEEN IS SOMETHING THAT IS AFFORDABLE MADE BY SOMEONE AND I THINK WHEN YOU'RE DRINKING OUT OF A MUG OR WEARING A EARRING THAT SOMEONE PUT THEIR PASSION INTO, IT FEELS DIFFERENT.

>> I WAS LOOKING AT THE WEBSITE, AND YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS, MAYBE MORE THAN A COUPLE, BUT THERE WERE SOME REALLY CLEVER, CHARMING THINGS.

YOU FIND THAT IT CAN BE ANYONE FROM THE COMMUNITY WHO'S INTERESTING IN COMING TO MADE AND GETTINGING?

DO YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR CUSTOMER BASE?

>> IT'S A LITTLE OF EVERYTHING, BECAUSE OF OUR AREA AND WHAT WE'VE BECOME, WE GET A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING BY AND WANT THIS LITTLE SOUVENIR ON THE WAY OUT.

BUT I'VE ALSO GOT NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE BEEN SHOPPING ONLINE OR SHOPPING IN THE STORE BECAUSE THEY NEED A BIRTHDAY CARD OR SOMETHING TO JUST END THEIR DAY WITH.

>> YEAH.

SO MADE IS OBVIOUSLY MADE IN PORTLAND.

THIS IS YOUR 20th ANNIVERSARY.

YOU'VE BEEN A LEADER.

WHAT HAS GIVEN YOU THAT SPECIAL GIFT?

I'M SURE HAVE YOU PARTNERS AND PEOPLE YOU WORK WITH -- BUT TO HAVE THIS SORT OF THING.

THIS IS, AS ANYONE KNOWS IT'S NOT EASY BEING AN ENTREPRENEUR AND DOING THESE THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY.

WHAT EXPERIENCES DID YOU HAVE BEFORE THAT THAT MADE YOU WANT TO GET INVOLVED THIS WAY?

>> YOU KNOW, I OFTEN SAY THAT AN ENTREPRENEUR, IF THEY'RE NOT ALSO 50% NAIVE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE GOOD AT THE THINGS THAT THEY DO.

AND IN RETROSPECT, WE WERE VERY NAIVE BUT IT'S THE LITTLE HOMES OF CONNECTION, THE LITTLE CONVERSATIONS HAVE YOU, AND THAT'S WHAT THAT PARTICULAR CORN HERE MEANT FOR ME FOR 20 YEARS.

>> BUT WHERE DID IT COME FROM FOR YOU?

>> I GUESS I'VE ALWAYS LIKED TO MAKE THINGS BECAUSE IT'S A WAY TO ESCAPE FROM THE WORLD AND KNOWING PEOPLE'S PROCESS AND KNOWING THAT SOMETIMES AN IDEA AND THE WAY IT TRANSFORMS WHEN IT BECOME AS FORM IS JUST MAGIC, AND EVERYBODY NEEDS THAT.

>> ESPECIALLY NOW, I SUPPOSE, YES.

HOW IMPORTANT IS JUST OPEN-MINDEDNESS, TOO?

WE ALL HAVE THINGS THAT WE'RE MOST INTERESTED IN.

THERE'S ALSO A FEELING OF, WELL, MAYBE MY TASTE ISN'T US A THE RIGHT ONE.

IF I NEED TO BRANCH OUT AND SEE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING.

HOW IMPORTANT CAN A PLACE LIKE MADE BE FOR THAT?

>> IT'S ESSENTIAL.

SO MANY PEOPLE COME IN TO BE INSPIRED.

I LOVE THAT SOME OF MY STAFF THAT HAVE WORKED OVER THE YEARS BECAME ARTISTS THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF THINGS THAT THEY SAW OR SOME WENT ON TO OPEN STORES OF THEIR OWN.

BUT YOU CAN TOUCH THINGS.

IT'S NOT LIKE A MUSEUM WHERE YOU CAN'T TOUCH IT.

YOU CAN TOUCH IT, YOU CAN FEEL THE WEIGHT OF SOMETHING, AND IT PASSES ALONG THAT CONNECTION OF HUMAN TO HUMAN.

>> IS THAT YOUR FAVORITE PART ABOUT OWNING THE SHOP AND THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE WHEN THEY LEAVE A LIVEN WORK, SAYING WELL, I'M NOT REALLY GOING TO MISS THE WORK BUT THE CAMARADERIE I HAD WITH PEOPLE.

>> AT LARGE PEOPLE THINK RETAIL IS VERY HARD AND SOMETIMES CAN BE AN AWFUL PLACE.

BUT IN PLACES THAT HAVE THE MINDFULNESS THAT I BELIEVE THAT MADE AND CHANGING HANDS HAVE, WHERE WE CURE RATE WHAT IS IN THE STORE TO FOSTER CONVERSATION AND, YEAH, IT'S A COMMUNITY CONNECTION.

>> HOW MUCH HAS -- YOU'VE NEVER BEEN ASKED THIS QUESTION I'M SURE.

HOW MUCH HAS THE PHOENIX ART COMMUNITY CHANGED OVER THE DECADES?

IT SEEMED AT THE TIME INTERESTING PLACES, INTERESTING CORNERS BUT NOW IT FEELS LIKE IT'S NOT JUST CORNERS BUT MASSIVE AREAS IN THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY.

>> YEAH.

EVERY SO OFTEN WE HEAR LIKE -- THIS COMMUNITY THAT WAS HERE 20 YEARS AGO MAY BE MAKING A DIFFERENT COMMUNITY.

WHAT I SEE IS WHAT SNEAKS DONE WELL IS THERE'S ENTRY POINTS.

AND PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND MAKE THIS THEIR OWN.

WHEN WE STARTED THERE WAS NO LIGHT RAIL OR INTERNET.

SO I COULDN'T PROMOTE SOMETHING ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

AND NOW THERE'S JUST THIS EXPANDED WAY, BUT WHAT I REALLY LOVE, AND I DO FEEL THIS WAY ABOUT IT, IT'S A PLACE WHERE THE NEXT GENERATION CAN COME IN AND IT'S GOT AN EASY ENTRY.

>> WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT TO YOU ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE STORE RIGHT NOW AS PART OF THE 20th ANNIVERSARY?

>> YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR NEW ARTISTS WHO REPRESENT OUR COMMUNITY AND NEW CUSTOMERS, AS WELL.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE SHARE A CORNER WITH I LOUNGE, WHICH IS A GALLERY THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR 25 YEARS, AND GREENWOOD BREWERY, WHICH IS THE ONLY BREWERY IN THE STATE.

IT'S A GREAT LITTLE CORNER.

THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON.

>> IT IS A GREAT LITTLE CORNER.

CINDY DASH, THANKS.

GOOD LUCK.

>>> THAT IS ALL FOR ARIZONA HORIZON TONIGHT.

I'M STEVE GOLDSTEIN IN FOR TED SIMONS.

THANKS FOR WATCHING.

HELLO, YOU'LL ALICE HARRIS AND WE HOPE YOU ENJOYED ARIZONA HORIZON.

FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS VIEWERS HAVE RELIED ON ARIZONA HORIZON FOR IN DEPTH COVERAGE FOR ISSUES AND CONCERNS TO OURio COMMUNITY.

TED SIMONS HAS LED CONVERSATIONS ON STATE POLITICS TO NATIONAL POLICIES.

NOW WE'RE ASKING TO YOU INVEST IN THIS VITAL COMMUNITY RESOURCE THAT HELPS EACH OF US BETTER UNDERSTAND THE WORLD AROUND US AND HOW IT AFFECTS THE GRAND CANYON STATE.

WHAT SETS ARIZONA HORIZON APART IS THAT UNLIKE CONVENTIONAL