>>> COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON": A DEMOCRATIC POLITICAL CONSULTANT RESPONDS TO REPORTS THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS IN DISARRAY FOLLOWING LAST YEAR'S ELECTIONS.

ALSO TONIGHT: THE IMPACT OF PRESIDENT TRUMP BLOCKING SECURITY CLEARANCES FOR ATTORNEY'S TIED TO TRUMP'S POLITICAL OPPONENTS.

AND, A NEW METHOD PROMISES EARLIER DETECTION OF PANCREATIC CANCER THROUGH BLOOD TESTS.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE, NEXT, ON "ARIZONA HORIZON".

>>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON", I'M TED SIMONS.

PHOENIX MAYOR KATE GALLEGO IS PUSHING BACK AGAINST A BILL THAT WOULD USE PUBLIC FUNDS TO RENOVATE CHASE FIELD.

THAT'S ACCORDING TO THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC, WHICH REPORTS THAT GALLEGO SENT A LETTER TO THE GOVERNOR THIS WEEK WITH A WARNING ABOUT THE DEAL, WHICH RECAPTURES REVENUE GENERATED BY THE TEAM AND USES THAT MONEY FOR BALLPARK RENOVATIONS.

THAT REVENUE WOULD INCLUDE SALES TAXES THAT WOULD ORDINARILY GO TO THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND.

THE MAYOR SAYS THAT THE DEAL WOULD COST PHOENIX TAXPAYERS $1-BILLION MORE THAN DOUBLE THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE.

THE MAYOR HAD OTHER CONCERNS WITH THE BILL.

NO RESPONSE REPORTED AS YET FROM THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.

THE GOVERNOR HAS INDICATED HER SUPPORT FOR THE LEGISLATION.

>>> NATIONAL NEWS: PRESIDENT TRUMP TODAY SIGNED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER AIMED AT DISMANTLING THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.

THE DEPARTMENT CAN'T BE CLOSED WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF CONGRESS, BUT THE MOVE IS EXPECTED TO SIGNIFICANTLY CUT THE DEPARTMENT'S WORKFORCE AND DIVERT ANY AUTHORITY OVER EDUCATION TO THE STATES.

THE WHITE HOUSE SAID TODAY THAT SOME OF THE DEPARTMENT'S FUNCTIONS, INCLUDING HANDLING STUDENT LOANS AND SPECIAL EDUCATION FUNDING, WOULD CONTINUE TO BE RUN OUT OF THE REDUCED AGENCY.

>>> A FEDERAL JUDGE TODAY BLOCKED THE SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION FROM GIVING ELON MUSK'S "DOGE" GROUP ACCESS TO DATA INVOLVING INDIVIDUALS' PERSONAL INFORMATION.

IT'S A TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER THAT ALSO REQUIRES MUSK'S GROUP TO DELETE ANY PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION ALREADY COLLECTED.

IN ISSUING THE ORDER, THE JUDGE SAID THAT MUSK AND HIS TEAM WERE, QUOTE, "ENGAGED IN A FISHING EXPEDITION" AND QUOTE, "LOOKING FOR A NEEDLE IN A HAYSTACK WITHOUT ANY CONCRETE KNOWLEDGE THAT THE NEEDLE IS THERE."

>>> A COUPLE OF SCIENCE NOTES: ASTRONOMERS HAVE DISCOVERED NEW EVIDENCE OF FOUR TINY PLANETS ORBITING BARNARD'S STAR, THE FOURTH NEAREST KNOWN STAR TO OUR OWN SUN.

THE FOUR PLANETS ARE ONLY ABOUT 20% TO 30% THE MASS OF EARTH, AND THEY'RE SO CLOSE TO THEIR HOME STAR THAT THEY'RE LIKELY TOO HOT TO SUPPORT LIFE.

BUT SCIENTISTS ARE STILL EXCITED ABOUT THE DISCOVERY SINCE SO LITTLE IS KNOW ABOUT BARNARD'S STAR, WHICH IS ONLY ABOUT 6-LIGHT YEARS AWAY FROM EARTH.

>>> AND, ASTRONOMERS HAVE DETECTED OXYGEN AND HEAVY METALS IN THE MOST DISTANT GALAXY EVER FOUND.

SCIENTISTS SAY THAT THE GALAXY IS MORE THAN 13-BILLION LIGHT YEARS AWAY AND FORMED IN THE EARLY DAYS OF THE UNIVERSE.

THE DISCOVERY OF OXYGEN AND ELEMENTS WAS MADE BY THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE AND WAS A SURPRISE.

IT LEADS ASTRONOMERS TO SUGGEST THAT GALAXIES FORM MORE QUICKLY THAN EXPECTED.

>>> DEMOCRATS ARE FACING CHALLENGES IN THE WAKE OF LAST NOVEMBER'S ELECTION RESULTS AND THE NEW TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S AGGRESSIVE ACTIONS IN DISMANTLING MUCH OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

JOINING US NOW IS POLITICAL CONSULTANT STACEY PEARSON, CO-FOUNDER OF LUMEN STRATEGIES ARIZONA.

THANK YOU FOR SCWOING US.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE THE HEADLINES THEY SAY IT ALL DEMOCRATS IN DISARRAY.

ARE DEMOCRATS IN DISARRAY?

>> DEMOCRATS ARE MAD I MEAN WE ARE MAD.

I WOULDN'T CALL IT DISARRAY.

WE ARE FRUSTRATED, WE ARE FINDING OUR FOOTING.

WE'RE FIGURING OUT THE BEST WAY TO FIGHT BACK.

ONE OF OUR PRIMARY MESSAGES GOING INTO THE NOVEMBER ELECTION IS THIS IS NOT NORMAL.

EVERYTHING YOU'RE SEEING OUT OF TRUMP CAMPAIGN IS NOT NORMAL AND IT TURNS OUT VOTERS DIDN'T WANT NORMAL.

THEY WANTED THINGS TO BE SHAKEN UP, THEY WANTED THINGS TO BE FLIPPED UPSIDE DOWN.

I DON'T THINK THEY QUITE BARGAINED FOR WHAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY, BUT VOTERS WANTED NOT NORMAL.

>> OK, BUT DOES THIS MEAN THAT BECAUSE IT APPEARS, FROM A DISTANCE HERE, THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS RUDDERLESS, THAT IT'S DIVIDED THAT THEY DON'T DO YOU FIGHT BACK STRONG, DO YOU NOT FIGHT BACK?

WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE?

>> I THINK THE ANSWER WILL REVEAL ITSELF RELATIVELY QUICKLY.

WE'RE GETTING INTO ALREADY A 2028 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION CYCLE, WHICH WHY INSANE.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF GUBERNATORIAL SEATS TO HOLD.

WE'VE GOT A MID-TERM ELECTION IN 26 BUT IN 28 YOU ALREADY SEE FOLKS THAT WANTED TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR, OR I'M SORRY WANT TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT LINING UP.

WHETHER IT'S JAMIE PRITZKER OUT OF ILLINOIS OR SHAPIRO OUT OF PENNSYLVANIA YOU SEE SOME REALLY, REALLY TALENTED DEEP BENCH VERY SMART FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO START TO TAKE THAT A BATON AND RUN.

>> THAT BEING SAID WHAT YOU REFERRED TO EARLIER WHAT LESSONS WERE LEARNED FROM LAST YEAR THAT DEMOCRATS CAN APPLY FROM HERE ON?

BECAUSE, ONE OF THOSE LESSONS WAS DON'T DO THAT AGAIN.

>> I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST LESSON, RIGHT.

IS THAT THE CONSULTANTS DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS.

ONE OF MY BIGGEST FRUSTRATIONS AS A CAMPAIGN CONSULTANT IN ARIZONA IS TALKING TO THE FOLKS AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL WHO GIVE ME REALLY HELPFUL INSIGHT ON HOW TO WIN IN OKLAHOMA, I DON'T CARE, I DON'T CARE.

LIKE THANK YOU FOR THE PAT ON THE HEAD BUT I'M IN ARIZONA THE 48 STATE WE'RE A DIIFY NOT A GROUP OF BORDER WE'RE A BORDER STATE.

IN ARIZONA IN PARTICULAR WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE DUPLICITY AND THE COMPLICATED ISSUES WE'RE FACING.

YOU CAN HAVE BORDER SECURITY AND STILL BE HUMANE TO IMMIGRANTS.

YOU CAN HAVE LOW TAXES AND STILL HAVE A WELL FUNDED PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO SUCCEED IN GETTING INTO THAT SPACE THAT YOU CAN HOLD TWO THOUGHTS AT ONCE.

>> IS THAT HOW DEMOCRATS LOST WORKING CLASS VOTERS?

WE SAW NONWHITE VOTING MARGINS ERODE, HISPANICS ESPECIALLY A BIG EROSION.

WHAT HAPPENED THERE?

AGAIN, IF THERE WAS A MESSAGE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS THE WRONG MESSAGE?

>> SOME OF THIS IS JUST VERY TACTILE SOME OF THIS IS IN THE ETHER SO WHAT I MEAN BY THAT ARE THE TWO AREAS WHERE DONALD TRUMP GAINED THE MOST GROUND IN MARICOPA COUNTY FROM THE TUNNEL WEST TO 67th AVENUE BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH OF I-10.

A COUPLE MILES NORTH AND SOUTH.

WE PAINTED THIS WITH A REALLY BROAD-BRUSH THAT THIS WAS A LATINO VOTE THAT DISAPPEARED ON KAMALA HARRIS OR THE BIDEN VOTE THAT DISAPPEARED.

ANOTHER PLACE IS ON LOOP 101 FROM SHAY TO DESERT RIDGE.

THOSE TWO AREAS HAVE THE WORST TRAFFIC IN MARICOPA COUNTY.

IF YOU ARE TRYING TO GET HOME TO SEE YOUR DAUGHTER'S VOLLEYBALL GAME GOOD LUCK, MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU.

SOME OF THIS IS JUST VERY BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS FATED FOLKS AND -- HAS FAILED FOLKS AND THAT NEVER BODIES WELL FOR AN -- BODES WITH THE FOR AN INCUMBENT.

>> SO YOU ARE SAYS REGARDLESS WHAT A CAMPAIGN MESSAGE IS IF YOU ARE STUCK IN TRAFFIC WHOEVER IS IN OFFICE I BLAME YOU?

>> YES.

THE DEMOCRATS OUR PARTY DID NOT RECOGNIZE THAT DESPITE HOW TERRIFYING 2020 WAS, THE PANDEMIC WAS, THERE WERE FOLKS WHO FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THEIR LIVES HAD MONEY IN THEIR CHECKING ACCOUNT BETWEEN PAYDAYS.

THEY WERE NOT ZEROED OUT AND THAT'S BECAUSE DIRECT CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE GOVERNMENT, THEIR GAS PRICES THEY WEREN'T SPENDING AS MUCH ON GAS THEY WEREN'T GOING ANYWHERE OR PAYING FOR DAYCARE.

WE JUST DISMISSED SO MUCH OF THAT AS OH NO, NO BUT REMEMBER THE PANDEMIC IT COULD HAVE KILLED YOU.

YES, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I GOT TO PAY OFF MY CREDIT CARD.

>> DOES THAT EXPLAIN, NBC POLL 27% OF REGISTERED VOTERS VIEWED DEMOCRATS POSITIVELY, 27% POSITIVE RATING.

THE PRESIDENT IS LIKE 47% THAT'S NOTHING TO GET EXCITED ABOUT BUT THAT'S A LOT BETTER THAN 27%.

>> I'M A HUGE HARRY POTTER FAN, VOLDIMOR WOULD HAVE BETTER RATINGS THAN DEMOCRATS.

IT'S A HARD RESET ON OUR ABILITY TO DEFINE WHAT WE ACTUALLY STAND FOR.

I WAS TALKING TO SOMEONE YESTERDAY WHO SAID IT'S NOT THAT WHICH JUST LOST THE FOREST FOR THE TREES, WE LOST THE FOREST FOR BLADES OF GRASS.

AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD SYNOPSIS OF WHERE WE WERE.

WE WEREN'T CLEAR ON THE ECONOMY, WE WEREN'T CLEAR ON HOW WE WERE GOING TO GET OUT OF THIS MESS BEING INFLATION.

IN FACT, WE GAS LIT PEOPLE BY TELLING THEM THAT THEY WEREN'T BETTER OFF FOUR YEARS AGO.

I MEAN IT WAS REALLY, REALLY A NUMBER OF BLUNDERS.

>> IT'S ALSO CRITICISM OF DEMOCRATS FROM DEMOCRATS THAT THEY'RE NOT FIGHTING BACK HAR ENOUGH.

SENATORS KELLY, AND GALLEGO HAD PEOPLE PROTESTING OUTSIDE OF THEIR OFFICE.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

>> SO, TO SOME DEGREE, YES.

WHAT I CAUTION AGAINST IS CINEMA-ING ANYONE IN THE MINORITY WHAT WE DID TO SINEMA WHAT WE DID IN SHOOTING ARROWS AT HER ABOUT UPHOLDING THE FILIBUSTER WHICH WE NOW NOW.

>> AND SHE POINTED OUT.

>> WE WILL NOT ALWAYS BE IN THE MAJORITY AND SO, I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE FOLKS AT DAVID SCHWEIKER'S OFFICE OR ANDY BIG'S OFFICE THOSE ARE THE FOLKS THAT HAVE THE LEVERS TO PULL.

>> SO WITH THAT IN MIND, THAT IS A PLAN.

THERE WILL BE ARE A BUNCH OF PLANS ON IDEAS HOW DO YOU FIND CONSENSUS OR IS THIS HERDING CATS FOR NOW?

>> SO IN ARIZONA IN PARTICULAR WE HAVE LOST, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION VERY SUCCINCTLY WE'RE A BIT IN THE HERDING CATS CATEGORY BUT WE KNOW WHERE THE CATS ARE.

WE ARE 100,000 DEMOCRATS SHORT.

WE LOST 100,000 REGISTERED DEMOCRATS BETWEEN 2020 AND 2024.

BOTH INDEPENDENTS AND REPUBLICANS HAD GAINS.

THOSE INDEPENDENTS WE KNOW WHERE THEY CAME.

FROM THEY CAME FROM CALIFORNIA, WASHINGTON, OREGON, RUST BELT THEY CAME HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE LOW PROPERTY TAXES, WE HAVE GOOD WEATHER, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.

WE NEED TO JUST ENGAGE THOSE FOLKS AND EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT ARIZONA DEMOCRATS ARE DIFFERENT.

WE'RE DEFIANT, WE CAN HOLD TWO THOUGHTS AT ONCE, WITH CAN TALK ABOUT BORDER SECURITY AT THE SAME TIME AS TALKING ABOUT HUMANITY.

>> SO, LAST QUESTION HERE, IS THAT THE IDEA IS THAT THE MESSAGE I MEAN, DEMOCRATIC PARTY USED TO ATTRACT SOME FOLKS THAT WERE RIGHT OF CENTER, USED TO ATTRACT MODERATES.

I MEAN, DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THEY'RE ATTRACTING THEM ANYMORE.

IS THAT HOW YOU GET THOSE FOLKS BACK IN THE BIG TENT OR DO WHAT JAMES CARVILLE SAYS SIT BACK AND WATCH -- >> ROME BURN.

>> OR WHATEVER WHAT IS BURNING.

>> I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS THE APPETITE TO WATCH PEOPLE SUFFER.

I THINK SOME OF ROME WILL BURN AS DOGE DOES WHAT THE DOGE GUYS ARE DOING.

>> RIGHT.

>> BUT IN LARGE PART I THINK IT IS JUST GETTING BACK TO I-BASEL REGISTERING VOTERS, EXPLAINING WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO.

GETTING OFF THIS MESSAGING THAT THAT'S NOT NORMAL.

FOLKS DON'T WANT NORMAL.

>> YEAH, THIS IS MY LAST POINT.

A BIT OF A KICK IN THE GUT FOR DEMOCRATS WASN'T IT?

>> IT WAS A KICK IN THE GUT AND IT WAS PREDICTABLE.

THERE WERE JUST LOOKING IN ARIZONA'S BROAD VOTER REGISTRATION NUMBERS THERE WERE 100,000 CANARIES IN THE COAL MINE.

WE SHOULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING AND MANY OF US DID.

MANY OF US WERE SOUNDING THE ALARM AND FOLKS JUST WEREN'T HEARING IT.

>> YEAH, I THINK THEY'RE HEARING IT NOW.

STACEY PEARSON, ALUMINUMMEN STRATEGIES, GOOD STUFF.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>>> PRESIDENT TRUMP IS CANCELING SECURITY CLEARANCES FOR LAW FIRMS THAT HAVE WORKED FOR OR OTHERWISE HAVE TIES TO THE PRESIDENT'S POLITICAL OPPONENTS.

THE LATEST TARGET: PERKINS-COIE, WHICH WORKED ON HILLARY CLINTON'S 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN AGAINST TRUMP.

ATTORNEY JIM BARTON FROM BARTON-MENDEZ-SOTO JOINS US TO EXPLAIN THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THESE SECURITY CLEARANCE CANCELLATIONS.

WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON" GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SECURITY CLEARANCES WHAT DOES IT MEAN FROM AN ATTORNEY'S PERSPECTIVE?

>> IT CAN MEAN A LOT OF THINGS FOR AN ATTORNEY, PARTICULARLY AN ATTORNEY WHO DOES WORK WITH THE GOVERNMENT, NOT NECESSARILY BE CONTRACTING FOR GOVERNMENT BUT PERHAPS IF YOU'RE INVOLVED IN SOME KIND OF A LICENSING MATTER OR SOME OTHER MATTER THAT REQUIRES TO YOU HAVE A SECURITY CLEARANCE TO SEE DOCUMENTS OR TO LITIGATE CASES IT CAN MATTER.

I SHOULD POINT OUT, BY THE WAY, THE EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT THE PRESIDENT ISSUED AGAINST PERKINS-COIE WAS ON MARCH 6th BY MARCH 12th A JUDGE HAD BLOCKED IT FROM TAKING EFFECT.

SO I THINK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW IT IMPACTS THE FIRMS IT IMPACTS THE FIRMS IN SOME REAL WAY BUT THOSE REAL MATERIAL WAYS WERE DONE SIX DAYS LATER.

IT'S REALLY A REPUTATIONAL PROBLEM.

>> AND YET IT JUST GETS IN LINE WITH ALL THE T.R.O.s AND EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN BLOCKED SO FAR YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT WILL GET UNBLOCKED OR WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE.

AGAIN, THE PRESIDENT BASICALLY SAYING THAT THEY WERE DISHONEST, THAT THEY WERE CONDUCTING DANGEROUS ACTIVITY, WORKING WITH GEORGE SORROS ON ELECTION LAWS IS THAT ENOUGH FOR THIS KIND OF THING, THIS KIND OF ACTION?

>> OF COURSE IT'S NOT.

THAT'S WHY THE FEDERAL JUDGE BLOCKED IT LICKETY-SPLIT.

IT TOOK SO LITTLE TIME FOR THE FEDERAL JUDGE TO BLOCK IT.

BUT THE POINT OF THIS THING OF COURSE IS TO DAMAGE THE REPUTATION OF HIS RIFLE RIVAL -- POLITICAL RIVALS IT'S DANGER TO SEE HE NAMED HILLARY CLINTON IN THE FIRST COUPLE PARAGRAPHS OF THAT ORDER.

IT'S DESPICABLE AND I THINK PERKINS-COIE IS DIGGING IN AND FIGHTING BACK THEY HAVE A TOUGH ROAD TO HOE WHEN THEIR REPUTATION IS DAMAGE BY HAVING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SAYING YOU GUYS ARE ON MY BAD GUY LIST.

>> AGAIN PREVIOUSLY I THINK JACK SMITH SPECIAL PROSECUTOR HIS FIRM THE PRESIDENT CITED WEAPONIZATION OF CLOG FIRMS, CLOGGING UP GOVERNMENT, STOPPING GOVERNMENT FROM PROCEEDING.

WE KNOW WHAT THE JUDGE SAYS FOR THE BLOCK BUT I MEAN CAN THIS KIND OF STUFF, ESPECIALLY COMING FROM THE PRESIDENT, AND THE POWER LIMITED IMMUNITY THAT HE HAS, CAN IT STICK?

>> IT ABSOLUTELY CAN STICK.

YOU KNOW I'M NOT THE FIRST PERSON TO SAY THIS EVERY ACCUSATION IS AN ADMISSION.

THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WAS THE GREATEST EXAMPLE OF WEAPONIZING PROCESS WITH THESE HORRIBLE EXECUTIVE ORDERS PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU TARGET INDIVIDUAL LAW FIRMS AND SO, CAN IT STICK IT SURE CAN, RIGHT.

BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO CUT INTO THEIR MARGINS WHEN I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO GET A PATENT RIGHT, LET'S TALK ABOUT SECURITY CLEARANCE DO YOU WANT TO GO TO THE LAW NECESSARILY IS ON THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES' HIT LIST?

MAYBE NOT.

SO THAT'S WHERE IT REALLY STICKS.

>> WE'VE HEARD FOR YEARS NOW LAW FAIR HAS BECOME A BRAND NEW WORD OUT THERE.

OBVIOUSLY YOU JUST REFERRED TO IS THIS NOT LAW FARE.

>> IT IS WHAT THE FOLKS THAT WERE EXPLAINING ABOUT LAW FAIRRE THIS WOULD BE THE KIND OF THING THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS AN ABUSE OF POWER TO USE PROCESS TO DAMAGE PEOPLE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S WHEN YOU SAY WE'LL FOLLOW UP OUR COMPLAINT BECAUSE YOU FILED THIS MANY LAWSUITS THAT ARE TOTALLY BASELESS THAT ARE WASTING TAXPAYER MONEY THAT'S A USE OF THE PROCESS.

WHAT HAPPENED WITH THESE EXECUTIVE ORDERS YEAH, THIS IS ACTUALLY TAKING PROCESS AND USING IT TO TARGET YOUR ENEMIES IN A -- IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

IT IS UNLAWFUL BUT IT'S ALSO WICKED.

I THINK IT'S THE KIND OF STUFF THAT SHOULD CHILL PEOPLE TO THEIR SOUL TO SEE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

>> UNCONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATION OF SEPARATION OF POWERS?

>> YES, PROBABLY A BILL OF ATTAINEDDER.

IT IS SUCCEEDS HIS POWER TO DO THESE THINGS -- IT EXCEEDS HIS POWER TO DO THESE THINGS.

I THINK IN THE JUDGE'S ORDER THERE'S THE FIRST FOURTH AND SIXTH AMENDMENT.

>> YES.

>> WHEN THE JUDGE JUST SORT OF SAYS THESE SEVERAL AMENDMENTS ARE VIOLATED THAT'S AN UNUSUAL, I KNOW STACEY SAID I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SAYING THINGS ARE UNUSUAL THAT'S NOT A GOOD WAY TO WIN CAMPAIGNS BUT THE FACT IS IT'S REALLY UNUSUAL.

IT'S SORT OF HORRIFIC.

>> YEAH, AND THE JUDGE IN THE CASE ALSO MENTIONED THAT THE PRESIDENT SEEMS TO TO THINK HIS VISION OF A PRESIDENCY IS TO BE A KING OR A DICTATOR.

THAT'S PRETTY STRONG LANGUAGE COMING FROM THE JUDICIARY THERE.

>> IT'S VERY STRONG LANGUAGE, THAT'S RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, HE WON'T BE THE FIRST PRESIDENT DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN TO BE ALLEGED FOR TRYING TO EXPAND POWER.

IN FACT, MOST OF THE PRESIDENTS WHO HAVE REPUTATIONS OF GREAT PRESIDENTS SOMEBODY SAID THAT THEY WEREOVER REACHING AND THEY WERE TRYING TO EXPAND POWER BUT SO FAST AND IN SUCH AGGRESSIVE AND LIKE I SAID, SORT OF IMMORAL CONDUCT.

HE SAID THEY REPRESENTED MY OPPONENT IN 20 DESIGN SO NOW -- IN 2016 SO NOW I WILL PUT THEM ON AN ENEMY LIST.

>> THAT SAID, LAST POINT HERE.

I OFTEN THINK ABOUT POLLING PEOPLE SAY THAT POLLING IS RIGGED THAT POLLING WELL, IF THE POLLING IS RIGGED AND IT'S WRONG AND THE POLLING IS WRONG YOU WON'T GO BACK TO THAT POLLING SERVICE WHO WANTS WRONG NUMBERS.

WITH AN ATTORNEY HE CAN SAY ALL HE WANTS REGARDING PERKIES OR ANY OTHER LAW FIRM BUT IF THAT LAW FIRM GETS RESULTS AND GETS THINGS DONE, DOES IT MATTER THAT MUCH?

>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT.

IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO IS IN A CAR ACCIDENT AND THEY'RE LIKE I WANT THE GUY WHO GETS THE BIGGEST MONEY YEAH, MAYBE IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT NASTY THING YOU SAY ABOUT THE GUY.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE IN EXECUTIVE BOARDROOMS TRYING TO MAKE BIG DECISIONS AND MILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS I THINK THAT CHILLING EFFECT IT DOES MATTER.

MAYBE IT SHOULDN'T BUT I THINK IT DOES AND I THINK THIS ACTION BY THE PRESIDENT WILL HAVE CONSEQUENCES AND THEY'RE NOT OK. >> INTERESTING, JIM BARTON, BARTON-MENENDEZ-SOTO.

GOOD CONVERSATION.

GREAT TO HAVE YOU.

>>> PANCREATIC CANCER IS A PARTICULARLY LETHAL FORM OF THE DISEASE, IN GREAT PART BECAUSE IT'S OFTEN CAUGHT TOO LATE.

BUT A NEW BLOOD TEST SHOWS PROMISE IN BREAKING THAT CYCLE.

TO LEARN MORE, WE WELCOME DR. MADAPPA KUNDRANDA, DIVISION CHIEF OF CANCER MEDICINE AT BANNER MD- ANDERSON CANCER CENTER.

DOCTOR GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THIS IS GOING TO BE A PROMISING CONFERENCE I CAN TELL BECAUSE -- CONVERSATION I CAN TELL.

BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT HELPS WITH PANCREATIC CANCER IS A GOOD THING.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WHEN WE LOOK AT PANCREATIC CANCER ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES WITH PANCREATIC CANCERS ALTHOUGH THE NUMBERS SHOW THAT 20% OF PANCREATIC CANCER PATIENTS ARE DIAGNOSED AT A POINT WHEN THEY CAN BE RESECTED AND CURED FROM THE DISEASE 90% OF PANCREATIC CANCER CANNOT BE -- IS MORE IN THE CONTEXT OF UNCURABLE OR INCURABLE DISEASE.

>> WHY IS IT THAT WAY?

>> THAT'S BECAUSE OF EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY WHICH IS THE LACK OF EARLY DIAGNOSIS AND CONSISTENT EARLY DIAGNOSIS THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY SHIFT THE STAGING TO MAKE IT MORE OF A CURABLE DISEASE AS OPPOSED TO INCURABLE.

>> GET IT BEFORE IT METASTASIZES.

>> CORRECT.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS BLOOD TEST.

WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

>> WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS FOR THE LAST DECADE OR SO.

WE'VE HAD A LOT OF SMALL STUDIES THAT HAVE SHOWN PROMISE LOOKING AT PROTEIN THAT CAN ACTUALLY DETECT THE METASTASES OF THE DISEASE OR DETECT THE DISEASE BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE CAN DO THAT.

WHEN WE LOOK AT PANCREATIC CANCER YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT COHORTS YOU ARE LOOKING AT.

THOSE THAT HAVE A HIGHER RISK FOR DEVELOPING PANCREATIC CANCER.

WE HAVE DEVELOPED SOME PRETTY DECENT TESTS TO ACTUALLY IDENTIFY THOSE EARLIER ON.

WE TEND TO DO M.R.I.s WE TEND TO DO E.U.S.s IN WAYS OF TESTS BUT STILL END UP DETECTING THIS EARLIER CATCHING IT EARLIER AND POTENTIALLY CURING THEM ARE SUSTAINED.

THAT'S ONLY LESS THAN 5% OF PATIENTS WITH PANCREATIC CANCER.

95% OF THEM IS ALMOST THE NORMAL OCCURRENCE WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE ANY GOOD TESTS FOR.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT A SCREENING TEST, YOU ARE LOOKING AT TWO THINGS.

ONE, IS IT NONINVASIONIST AND SECOND THING IS, IS IT ACCURATE ENOUGH THAT IT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY PICK IT UP AND THAT'S WHAT THIS TEST IS ONE OF THE FIVE TESTS THAT HAVE ACTUALLY COME OUT IN THE LAST DECADE WHICH HAVE SPECIFICALLY LOOKS AT A BREAKDOWN OF THE PROTEINS, WHICH IS DETECTED UP TO 90% OF PATIENTS WITH PANCREATIC CANCER AS OPPOSED TO A NORMAL PATIENT POPULATION WHERE IN THEY DO NOT HAVE THAT PROTEIN THAT'S BEING DETECTED THERE.

>> SO WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS, YOU ARE LOOKING AT CHANGES IN PROTEASE ACTIVITY IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CHANGES MEANS BREAKDOWN, PROTEASE MEANS PROTEINS.

>> SO PROTEASE IS THE BREAKDOWN OF THE PROTEIN YOU HAVE ENZYMES, SO PROTEASE ACE IS ENZYME THAT BREAKS DOWN THESE PROTEINS.

SO THE NORMAL BODY'S MECHANISM IS TO BREAK DOWN SOME OF THESE PROTEINS WHICH FOR A SENSE DO NOT REALLY SERVE A FUNCTION.

>> YES.

>> SO THOSE ARE PROTEASES.

THIS TEST ACTUALLY DETECTS THESE PROTEASES WHICH IS VERY SPECIFIC TO PANCREATIC CANCER.

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU IS IT A SPECIFIC BREAKDOWN AND IS IT SPECIFIC TO PANCREATIC CANCER?

>> CORRECT.

THAT'S WHAT THIS STUDY HAS DEMONSTRATED WITH REGARDS TO THIS.

THE KEY THING IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER IN A LARGE SCALE STUDY WHETHER THIS WILL STILL HOLD ITS" AND THAT IS THE PART THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATEDDER.

>> AND THIS DIFFERS FROM CURRENT TESTS.

YOU KIND OF REFERRED TO CURRENT TESTS BACK THERE THAT THEY WORK ESPECIALLY FOR HIGH RISK BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE OTHER WAY.

THIS DIFFERS OVERALL HOW?

>> CORRECT.

SO WE HAVE THIS PROTEIN CALLED CA99 IS A PROTEIN THAT OCCURS FROM MULTITUDE OF REASONS BUT IT'S DETECTED BECAUSE IT'S PRODUCED BY IT'S WITHIN YOUR BLOODSTREAM WITHIN THE PANCREATIC DUCTS.

HOWEVER THE PROBLEM IS IF YOU HAVE PANCREATTITIS OR AN RAIN INMATION OF YOUR PANCREAS OR YOUR DUCTS YOU SEE IT CAN GO UP AND THAT'S A FALSE POSITIVE.

SO IN THIS CASE, THIS IS WHEN YOU COMBINE IT WITH THE CA99 WHICH IS AGAIN A PROTEIN BIOMARKER THIS INCREASES THE ACCURACY OF DIAGNOSING PATIENTS WITH PANCREATIC CANCER.

>> WHAT ABOUT PATIENTS WITH DIABETES DOES THAT FOOSKT INTO THIS?

>> -- WITH DOES THAT FACTOR INTO THIS?

>> IT CAN CAUSE INFLAMMATION OF YOUR PANCREAS SO IN SOME CASES YOU CAN HAVE A FALSE POSITIVE WITH REGARDS TO THE CA99 THAT'S ELEVATED ESPECIALLY WITH ALL OF THOSE THAT WE HAVE ON THE MARKET.

>> NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT FOR THIS BLOOD TEST YOU DON'T NEED VIAL AFTER VIAL AFTER VIAL DO YOU?

>> THIS IS ONE THING THAT REQUIRES A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF BLOOD, RIGHT.

BLOOD DRAWS FOR MOST PART ARE NONINVASIVE.

AND THE TURNAROUND TIME IS LESS THAN AN HOUR.

>> HOLY SMOKES.

YOU CAN GET IT THAT QUICKLY.

>> EXACTLY.

SO I THINK AS LONG AS WE CAN VALIDATE THIS IN LARGER STUDIES SOMETHING WHICH IS NONINVASIVE, WHICH HAS A QUICK TURNAROUND TIME YOU'RE NOT WASTING FOUR WEEKS TO GET THE RESULTS IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT CAN BE A SCREENING TEST.

>> SO THAT'S NEXT IN RESEARCH.

>> CORRECT.

>> OBVIOUSLY THE RESEARCH HAS TO GO ON.

WHEN CAN COME SOMETHING LIKE THIS BE AVAILABLE?

>> WHEN WE LOOKED AT DRUG DEVELOPMENT IT'S TAKEN US ALMOST A DECADE.

NOW WE ARE DEVELOPING DRUGS WITHIN A YEAR THAT ARE GETTING ONTO THE MARKET TO HELP OUR PATIENTS.

A TEST OF THIS BASED ON HOW THEY FACTOR IN THE CLINICAL TRIAL THAT'S GOING TO BE A MORE EXPANDED TRIAL LOOKING AT THIS IN A MORE LARGER PATIENT POPULATION COULD POTENTIALLY BE IN THE MARKET IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.

>> NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.

>> RIGHT.

>> MY GOODNESS.

A PROMISING CONVERSATION.

I KNEW IT WOULD BE.

AND IT IS THIS IS SOMETHING TO KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR THIS BLOOD TEST TO DETECT PANCREATIC CANCER EARLY AND GET THIS THING FIXED.

BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A DEADLY DISEASE.

DR. GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US WE APPRECIATE THE ENCOURAGING CONVERSATION.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

>> YOU BET.

>> AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU FOR SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.