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Tonight a promising new report on cancer survival rates.

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>> Good evening and welcome to "Arizona Horizon", I am Ted Simons, president trump' state of the union address last night was the longest in U.S.

history and was notable not so much for policy positions and other state of the union staples, as for attacks on Democrats, who the president described variously as cheaters and liars and, quote, sick.

Here are some of the moments from last night's speech.

>> People are crazy, I am telling you.

They are crazy.

We are lucky we have a country, with people like this, Democrats are destroying our country.

We have stopped it just in the Nick the time, didn't we.

All Democrats every single one of them voted against these really important and very necessary massive tax cuts.

And then just four days ago an unfortunate ruling from the United States Supreme Court.

It just came down.

It just came down, very unfortunate ruling.

[ Applause ] >> But the good news is that local all countries and corporations want to keep the deal that they already made, right, Scott?

Knowing that the legal power that I as president have to make a new deal, could be far worse for them, and therefore they will continue to work along the same successful path that we had negotiated before the Supreme Court's unfortunate involvement.

The first duty of the American government is to protect American citizens, not illegal aliens.

[ Cheering and Applause ] >> It was in many ways a partisan switch that elicited a part son response from Democrats.

>> This was not America's state of the union.

This was Donald trump's state of delusion.

He is in a bubble.

He doesn't even know what the average American is going through.

>> He's enriching himself, his family, his friends, the scale of the corruption is unprecedented.

There's the cover up of the Epstein files, the crypto scams, cozying up to foreign princes for airplanes and billionaires for ballrooms.

Putting his name and face on buildings all over our nation's capital.

This is not what our founders envisioned, not by a long shot.

Here is the truth, over the last year through DOGE, mass firings and the appointment of deeply unserious people to our nation's most serious positions, our president has endangered the long and storied history of the United States of America, being a force for good.

>> Joining us now to discuss the speech and what was and what wasn't addressed, Republican political consultant Wes gullet from strategy group and the Democratic respective.

Political consult state Stacy, from the right side of the aisle Russ we'll start with you.

Was there a message and, if there was, did he stay on message?

>> The president stayed on message.

As a matter of fact, we were talking about it this morning, we do a lot of message training and media training and, we were lake we need to use trump as an example.

Because he stayed precisely on message.

Now, it was a message to the right.

And it was a message to his base.

It didn't broaden that base, but it was to them.

>> Did he say what needed to be said to the country or are you saying he needed to be said what needed to be said to his base?

>> He said what needed to be said for the midterm elections.

To fire up the base and get them back on track and I think it was instead I've policy address, it was a political address to the congress, saying you better get on message.

And here is the message.

>> Stacy, what did you take from last night?

>> Oh, I think that the Republicans in close races are panicked after watching last night.

There is no bigger tent that the president tried to build yesterday.

It is in fact more red and more contained than I think it ever has been.

And some of these races, including CD1 will be very, very close.

And he did not do anything to persuade anyone outside of his base to vote for them or even consider his positions.

>> As far as the economy is concerned, Stacy, I'll stick with you on this.

I was interested.

But not a lot as far as the economy is concerned.

It's hard telling people everything is great when the numbers might -- Biden admission can tell you this.

Numbers show one thing but people in their pockets feel another.

>> You are right.

This is what undid the Biden presidency.

Is telling people the balances in their check books were lying.

When folks cannot make ends meet.

When they are not filling their tanks of gas all the way up.

When they are skimping on extras at the grocery store.

When they are not able to afford their kids' after-school activities, it matters.

>> Wes, he said it was a roaring economy.

Did you sense any empathy for those who are not feeling the roar?

>> Oh, my gosh, one, you can sense it's not a roaring economy.

But I saw some data today that showed consumer confidence is at its lowest point in forever.

And the reason why is -- but with Republicans, it's up.

And with Democrats it's way down.

And independents are tracking down, too.

And that's driving it to this low rate of consumer confidence, according to the university of Michigan.

So what we are seeing is this dichotomy between two worlds, one world the Republican world, everything is great.

One world, it's not great.

And that world is the one we are actually living in.

>> And that sounds like that's a world that doesn't even want to attract Democrats.

>> That certainly is the case.

I mean, the tent, again, is not getting any bigger.

And it may be Republican, December craft.

It might be an age break.

If your money is invested almost entirely in your 401K or retirement.

You are feeling fine.

But half of the planet, half of the American public doesn't have a 401K.

They could careless about the Dow.

They care about what child care costs, whether they can afford a new car.

Whether or not their tears need to be replaced can be afforded.

>> Can that be reflected at the polls?

>> Absolutely and they'll take it out on the incumbent president, we saw this in November of last year.

Where Biden said everything is fine and better than the economy I inherited and people are saying it's not the case.

>> Does Stacy have a point will Republicans in swing districts were not that pleased?

What do you think?

>> I am a moderate Republican, that's -- they wouldn't say that's loose.

And so -- but there are like seven of us left.

[ Laughter ] >> So Stacy is exactly right.

But one thing you need to do, Stacy, you is need to get your candidates to be able to talk like you do.

[ sigh ] >> Because there is a disconnect in that world and this is about how you articulate the problem.

And being a defeatist and being a victim is not the way to win elections.

What trump said about we are winning, people like that.

People like to be winners.

Look at the hockey team.

That was the only thing that got bipartisan support because they were winners.

>> We heard other things last night and the president continue to macon founded claims that voter fraud is ram pent in the country.

And perhaps most importantly.

I am asking you to approve the save America act.

[ Applause ] >> To stop ill well aliens and others who are unpermitted persons from voting in our sacred American elections.

The cheating is rampant in our elections, it's rampant.

It's very simple, all voters must show voter I.D.

>> The president then went onto blame Democrats for what he perceives to be their role in allowing voter fraud to perpetuate from the cheating.

Neither claim has proved to be true.

Wes, I am turning to you and saying, does it matter to the base, to the Republican party in general, what he says if it's true, if it's not true, if it's misleading, if it's borderline, does it even matter anymore?

>> I think that he continues to hammer on this message, he has to because he claimed that he got the election stolen from him.

It's not true.

I have been doing this for 35 years.

I have never seen any voter fraud to the degree he's talking about.

It's just not the case.

People don't care.

Republicans think the Democrats stole the elections and they'll continue to steal elections.

>> From the Democratic perspective, you are going up against a party that allows -- it's just not true.

>> The tinfoil hat people are a problem.

I wish correct steal elections it would be easier if we could prefill ballots and intercept with laser beams and put in our candidates it's just not possible.

>> How he how do you fight that How do you counter that?

>> Justified by being sane, by telling folks it's impossible to do what he says has been done and just change the outcome of his race.

But still allow governor Hobbs to have won and AG Kris Mayes to have one, these things just make no sense.

>> Talk about being sane, Wes, the atmosphere of the speech.

It used to be these were solemn affairs and very efficient and decorum.

If you don't have someone yelling and controlling something during the State of the union address anymore it's a failed experiment.

>> Well, it was bad on both sides, but I think trump attacking the Democrats, that was not cool.

It was not cool for the president of the United States who is everybody's, my president, Stacy's president to be attacking somebody in the audience for being a different political party.

That's not presidential.

It's political.

>> Did the Decembers help themselves or hurt themselves with the outbursts, where you have killed Americans with the sign, we are not apes, these sorts of things?

Good, bad, or indifferent?

>> Well, Democrats have been very clear that they want to see our party fight back.

I don't think that's particularly effective.

I think getting voters registered, particularly in states like Arizona where we have a huge deficit.

That's more helpful.

But, you know, the show was -- the show must go on and it was at least entertaining.

>> It was a show.

And that's what Donald trump, president trump he is very good at putting on a performance, getting drama.

Getting the conflict going, that's kind of the deal, isn't it?

>> Yeah, that's the deal.

And it's too bad.

Because as Americans, we need to come together.

Now, we are going to have an election and we can all choose our -- but at the end of those elections we need to come together as Americans.

Right now, we are splitting apart and that's not good.

>> Last question.

How long does the impact of this speech last?

>> 14 seconds.

[ Laughter ] >> Give or take.

>> I think so many of the folks consuming media today have turned back to whether or not the little baby monkey, whether or not his momma is coming back for you, or the little snuggy.

I think folks their attention spans are so short and we are still 250-Ish days from the election.

>> Are we all over the speech, Wes?

>> Me people know the rules of curling now, but they don't note what he said in his speech.

They have forgotten about it.

>> It doesn't really matter.

>> More people watching curling >> It doesn't really matter, does it, especially to the base, what he said.

>> Well, he -- if he hadn't thrown the red meat, it would have mattered.

But he did, and he got the base fired up and that's what they think is going to win the election.

But they also have to reach out to independents.

>> Do you agree with that?

>> I do.

And also I think that voters are going to get back to some of the moral high ground.

Regardless of party, when you are talking about buying a warehouse in surprise Arizona for humans, I mean, that's very strange.

We should all be having concerned about internment warehouses, for humans.

And so I think folks are starting to say this immigration enforcement, internal into the U.S.

is entirely too far.

Has gone entire too far.

>> Stacy Pearson, Wes Gullott great to have you are both here we appreciate.

>> Thanks, Ted.

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♪ Music Playing ♪ ♪ Music Playing ♪ ♪ Music Playing ♪ >> A new report from the American cancer society shows significant improvement in cancer survival rates.

To learn more we welcome Dr.

Brett Broussard, surgical oncologist at banner's MD Anderson cancer center.

Goof to have you here thanks for joining us.

>> Thanks for having knee.

>> 70% five-year survival rate for all cancer, all cancers.

>> Right.

>> That sounds like improvement indeed.

>> Yeah.

Absolutely.

So, you know, this report goes back many years, it started in 1951.

They put this report out annually.

And so that is the major headline this is the first time to ever achieve that level where 7 out of 10 patients are survivors at 10 years.

Five years.

>> Mid 70s it was 50%.

>> Exactly.

It's come a long, long way.

>> Why?

>> I would say multiple tack fors, this report accounts for the time between 2015 to 2021.

There has been significant changes and I would say improvement in many therapies since that tame period.

>> Research, I would imagine a biggy.

>> Research is a huge part of it.

And without research, we don't get any of these new and novel therapies.

>> I was going say, is the research is one thing, but is it translate to go better department?

Is it translate to go better diagnosis?

>> Absolutely.

I think you just touched on a hugely important thing which is diagnosis.

And that leads to then stage and if you don't get staging on par, you don't get the frequent treatment.

So it's all -- it all fits together, absolutely.

>> We talked about some cancers, multiple myeloma went from 32% to 62% five years, that's huge.

>> Absolutely.

>> LiveEr caner is is up.

Lung cancer from 15% five year survival to 28%, is that because fewer people are smoke something.

>> It's definitely playing a role in it.

They are seeing incident of nonsmokers with lung cancer the I am a thoracic surgeon by train and lung cancer my specialty it.

Still remains the Headley effort of all cancers.

>> It's beats number two and three combined doesn't it.

>> Pancreatic and colorectal number three and two and lung cancer is more than both of those.

>> Why is it so prevalent?

>> Part of is late detection.

Signs and symptoms show up so late in the disease process it delays diagnosis and disease is more progressed at the time of diagnosis.

Lung cancer screening with play a huge role in early detection and improve the survival curve.

>> And I was going to say, the survival rates positive story.

But incident rates seem to be up.

Is that because of better diagnose?

>> It's playing a huge role in it.

There are a lot of people trying to figure out that exact question you just asked.

The fact that screens are up not just for lung can sore, colorectal cancer and see types of cancers that we are finding more cancers and incidents are higher.

>> Racial disparities, we are seeing that as well aren't we?

>> Absolutely.

Access to specialists, access to good diagnosis, good staging, remains a challenge I would say across Arizona and the nation.

>> Is it your impression that this big improvement over these years, I mean, we are seeing a graph going like this.

Is it going to top off a little bit or do you see it even skyrocketing more?

>> My hope is that it continues to progress in that upward direction I think there are promising new things on the horizon, between surgery, medical oncology, radiation, that are very exciting.

In the near future my hope is that it continues to rise.

>> Clinical research obviously, again, an important factor there.

Are you concerned about federal funding for clinical research?

>> Yeah.

I would say we get none of these advances and none of these improvements in outcomes and therapy, all of these things without federal funding and research.

And so clearly I think that is a key to continuing to push the needle forward.

And improve that graph that you are talking about.

>> Is that a message that needs to be made a little stronger?

Because it seems like you know what is happening as far as federal research money is concerned across the board.

>> Right.

I think absolutely, major societies like my society of thoracic surgeons have large political action committees trying to lobby and push our politicians to continue to fund research in lung cancer and many other cancers.

>> Last question here, immunotherapy.

I have been doing this long enough to where immunotherapy was a brand-new thing.

Is that a reason why the survival rates are going up is that any kind of a reason?

>> Absolutely.

If you look at the timeline of this report.

Et cetera 2015 to 2021, which was the hugest time periods in the jump of and use of immunotherapy.

I can tell from personal family situations, is -- it's been a game change fore so many patients and really improved quality of life and longevity.

>> There's improving as well, is it not?

>> Absolutely.

>> The research doesn't stop there.

>> Absolutely.

Immunotherapy has just really turn some cancers into that of chronic disease it's a maintenance type of therapy.

>> Chronic disease ceilings like it's a parts of some of the cancers and that's encouraging.

>> Absolutely.

It's something that you live with as long as you stay on top of it maintain?

>> It's loose good to have positive stories.

>> Thanks for having me.

♪ Music Playing ♪ ♪ Music Playing ♪ >> Acclaim traveler writer Roger Naylor is out with a new addition of his popular book helping feed hungry hikers in the State.

It's called Arizona boots and burgers and it's a guide to the best Arizona trails and best places to eat before and maybe even after a hike.

Good to see you again, Roger.

Always a pleasure.

>> Thank you for having me.

>> Yeah.

This is be update off your 2014 book, correct?

>> It is.

That and a completely new edition as well sort of two books in one the original one that publisher went out of business so the rights they have book reverted back to me so I saved a big chunk of it but then added 40 new restaurants.

>> Whoa.

>> And trails so a total of 70 restaurants, 70 trails in here.

>> 70 trails, 70 restaurants.

You go big on hike and big on eating?

>> You have to do the hiking to balance out the eating.

Otherwise I am a big old fat guy.

>> Some trails are so wonderful What is it hard to find a good spot to eat nearby?

>> There's always great places to eat in Arizona.

They might not be at the end of the trail head once you have worked up an appetite a little drive spot a bad thing.

>> Can you look at some of the trails.

>> You bet.

>> River trail and cliff dwellers lodge, where is it?

>> Middle of nowhere, Arizona strip the river trail is beautiful underrated trail.

Leesferry, beautiful cliffs through an old Mormon settlement, hike up and get a little work out on the Spencer trail and then just a few miles away, cliff dwellers lodge and restaurant, this wonderful outpost.

And they make a fantastic burger.

These are the kind of places where you are just hoping the food is edible.

And they just have a superb burger and a wonderful little patio and you are sitting out there going, goodness, it resonates with that fine spice of remoteness.

You are out in the middle of nowhere.

No civilization and you are having a great burger.

It's wonderful Arizona day.

>> You love your food.

Holy smokes.

So the burger special.

It looks special.

Huge, fries look pretty good too.

The fries are important there.

>> Yeah.

>> You can't just throw fries out.

>> No, they do a good fry.

You can try own I don't know rings and mix it up.

>> The Hugh Norris trail down in Tucson, correct?

>> Yeah, this is the saguaro national park.

Western unit.

>> Beautiful.

>> It's a good climb question it's a classic desert trek through long the ridge line there you get I think the best views in Tucson and it's just a spectacular.

One move first serious desert hikes so I remember it, it's pretty life changing.

I understand Steph a burger, I have many great burger places in Tucson, we went with Mexican.

It's Sonora hot dog.

The on O.G.

of Sonoran hot dogs and this is a special Arizona flavor.

Hard to find anywhere on this side of the border outside of Arizona.

Starts with I bacon-wrapped hot dog.

Are there two more beautiful words than bacon wrapped in the English language, toughed into this soft dough and piled on with an avalanche of ingredients pinto beans and jalapeños.

Diced tomatoes and grilled and chopped onions, he won a James beard award if a hot dog.

>> For that hot dog.

>> For a hot dog that tells you something.

>> Holy plaque well.

Monument valley the wildcat trail.

Is there any place to eat close >> Yes.

A wonderful little restaurant.

>> You are right.

>> Omigo cafe, you can get a Navajo burger that comes instead of on a bun uses fry bread but I love the Navajo taco there.

Beans and little healthier, maybe just you get some good vegetables.

And a lot of mix of flares, and the wildcat trail is my favorite single trail in the entire state.

Throws a loop around the west mitten there, you are in the heart of the west.

>> How difficult to get to that particular trail?

>> Oh, it's right there.

You walk out from the visitor center and you do not need a Navajo guide it's one you don't.

You get to enjoy it.

It's about 3 1/2 miles around and you will remember it for the rest of your life.

>> Seeing a lot of stuff on the right side of the screen here as far as the food is earn canned, seeing hot dogs, hamburgers and all that much sort of business, are there vegetarian options?

>> At each place I give a vegetarian option is there one, there almost is I am married to a vegetarian woman I eat healthier in my 20s I lived on burgers now I try to balance it out and make sure they are more special.

Vegetarian options at each place.

>> Is there a favorite hike and restaurant combination for you in.

>> Dive barring burger, Harvey's Weinberger.

>> It's about an around forever >> It has been upgraded significantly.

Dive bar you walk in, it's dark, but man, they make a burger that's just succulent.

Just beef candy.

>> Settle down there, fella.

Dinner, coming up.

[ Laughter ] >> It's good to see you again, congratulations.

>> Always.

>> On all of your success, Roger Naylor the book is "Arizona puts and burgers" and it's a heck of a lot fun, good to see you.

>> My pleasure.

>> That's it for now, I am Ted Simons, thank you so much for joining us, you have a great even.

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