♪♪ MUSIC PLAYING ♪♪ >> COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON", WHY CRIT I OBJECTS OF PRESIDENT TRUMP ARE CONSIDERED INVOKING THE 25TH AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THE PRESIDENT FROM OFFICE.

ALSO TONIGHT, A NEW INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM PROM LOOKS AT THE HIDDEN THREATS OF 3D-PRINTED WEAPONS.

AND A BRAND-NEW PHOENIX LIBRARY CARD HONORS THE CENTURYLINK SHOW.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

>> "ARIZONA HORIZON" IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF THE FRIENDS OF ARIZONA PBS.

MEMBERS OF YOUR PUBLIC TELEVISION STATION.

>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON" I AM TED SIMONS.

DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS ARE CONSIDERING INVOKE THE 25TH AMENDMENT IN AN EFFORT TO REMOVE PRESIDENT TRUMP FROM OFFICE.

INVOLVING CREATING A COMMISSION THAT WOULD HAVE THE POWER TO CREATE THE PRESIDENT, ANY PRESIDENT IN, THIS CASE PRESIDENT TROUBLE THINK PHYSICALLY OR MENTALLY UNABLE TO CONDUCT THE DUTIES OF OFFERS TO LEARN MORE WELCOME FORMER PROSECUTOR MARK KOKANOVICH WHO NOW PERHAPS LAW AT BALLARD-SPAHR.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THERE IS A LOT UNDER THE 25TH AMENDMENT THAT I WASN'T AWARE OF.

WHAT DOES IT STATE?

>> IT WAS A PROVISION THAT WAS ADOPTED INTO THE CONSTITUTION, IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION THE 25th.

THAT WAS RATIFIED IN 1966.

TO ADDRESS ISSUES AFTER THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY TO HELP WITH THE TRANSITION FROM A POWER, IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A VACANCY IN THE PRESIDENCY.

SO IT ADDRESSES A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND DIFFERENT PROVISIONS THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE REFERRED TO IS FOR INVOLUNTARILY REMOVING A PRESIDENT WHO HAS NOT BEEN ASSASSINATED BUT IS NO LONGER ABLE, FOR WHATEVER REASON, TO FULFILL THE DUTIES OF THE PRESIDENT.

>> PHYSICALLY AND/OR MENTALLY.

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> NOW, THIS WOULD INVOLVE THE CABINET.

>> USUALLY THAT'S WHAT IS UNDERSTOOD TO BE.

BUT THE LANGUAGE IN THE 25TH AMENDMENT INCLUDES ANOTHER PROVISION THAT HASN'T BEEN ADOPTED YET BY CONGRESS OR HASN'T BEEN -- THERE IS A GAP THERE BECAUSE IT SAYS THAT THE CABINET CAN VOTE TO SAY THAT THE PRESIDENT IS NO LONGER FIT AND THEN IT WOULD REQUIRE THE VICE PRESIDENT TO AGREE AND THEN IT WOULD GO TO CONGRESS TO VOTE ON IT.

OR A BODY ESTABLISHED BY LAW BY THE CONGRESS.

AND SINCE 1967, CONGRESS HAS NOT ESTABLISHED THAT BODY BY LAW.

AND JAMIE RASKIN HAS A PROPOSAL NOW TO DO JUST THAT.

FILL THAT GAP.

>> AND I WANT TO GET TO THAT IN A SECOND BUT I WANT TO GET BACK TO THE ORIGINAL INTENT AND IDEA OF THIS THING.

EVEN IF THE CABINET AND THE VICE PRESIDENT AGREE THAT THE PRESIDENT CANNOT FULFILL THE DUTIES, DOES CONGRESS STILL HAVE TO GIVE THE GO AHEAD AS WELL?

>> YES.

THE CABINET AND THE -- THE PROVISION GOES FROM THE CABINET AND THE VICE PRESIDENT TO THE CONGRESS OR A BODY ESTABLISHED BY THE CONGRESS.

>> RIGHT.

>> BY LAW.

>> THAT'S WHERE, AGAIN, YOU ARE GOING TO AS FAR AS JAMIE RASKIN, DEMOCRATS UP THERE.

WHAT ARE THEY TRYING?

THIS IS A COMMISSION IN.

>> YES.

SO IT'S A BODY THAT THEY WOULD ESTABLISH.

AND IT WOULD BE A BIPARTISAN BODY THAT JAMIE RASKIN HAS PUT TOGETHER THIS PROPOSAL THAT WOULD HAVE EIGHT PEOPLE SELECTED BY REPUBLICANS.

AND EIGHT PEOPLE SELECTED BY DEMOCRATS, FOUR OF THOSE PEOPLE FROM EACH.

WOULD BE DOCTORS OR PSYCHIATRISTS, AND FOUR WOULD BE STATES PERSONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, LIKE FORMER VICE PRESIDENTS, FORMER PRESIDENTS WOULD BE ON THIS COMMISSION.

AND THEN THOSE 16 PEOPLE WOULD VOTE TO ELECT A CHAIRPERSON, SO THERE WOULD BE 17, SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE EIGHT PER SE.

>> AND THE COMMISSION WOULD, WHAT, IS DO A MEDICAL EXAM, WHAT?

>> THEY WOULD GET TOGETHER AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT IN THEIR OPINION THE PRESIDENT WAS FIT TO CONTINUE TO SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT.

AND THEN THE -- IF THEY -- THAT BODY AND THE VICE PRESIDENT AGREE, IT WOULD GO BACK TO THE CONGRESS FOR VOTES, FOR THREE QUARTERS OF BOTH HOUSES HAVE TO AGREE.

>> INTERESTING.

SO THREE QUARTERS.

HOW -- DOES IT MAKE SENSE, THOUGH, TO HAVE THIS KIND OF A COMMISSION WHEN YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE CABINET.

THE CABINET WOULD BE MORE BEHOLD EN TO THE PRESIDENT, IS COMMISSION MAYBE NOT SO MUCH.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT, TED.

AND IT'S AN INTERESTING PROVISION BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTION.

>> YEAH.

>> IT JUST HASN'T BEEN APPLIED BY CONGRESS THROUGH LAW TO ESTABLISH WHAT THAT BODY LOOK LIKE AND JAMIE RASKIN HAS AN INTERESTING PROPOSAL THAT BALANCES THOSE POLITICAL CONSIDERATION, THAT IT WOULD BE BIPARTISAN, HAVE TO HAVE BROAD SUPPORT.

>> HOW LIKELY IS SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN?

THE COMMISSION I SHOULD SAY?

>> SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN PHOENIX THE SUMMERTIME PROBABLY.

>> YES.

>> BUT THE PROPOSAL IS AN INTERESTING ONE THAT DESERVES CONSIDERATION.

IT WOULD BE VERY KILT TO PASS RIGHT NOW.

CONGRESS WOULD HAVE TO PASS IT.

REPUBLICANS CONTROL BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS AND REPUBLICANS CONTROL THE PRESIDENCY.

SO THE IDEA OF ESTABLISHING THIS WHEN THERE IS -- THERE ARE CALLS AS YOU POINTED OUT, TO INVOKE THE 25TH AMENDMENT'S OTHER PROVISIONS TO REMOVE THE PRESIDENT.

>> RIGHT.

>> CALLS FOR THE CABINET TO ACT AS WELL.

>> WELL, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT IF YOU ARE A DEMOCRAT ON CAPITOL HILL AND YOU WANT TO SEE THE PRESIDENT AUDIOS HERE ANYWAY POSSIBLE YOU WOULD JUT GO IMPEACHMENT.

YOU WAIT TO GET YOUR SIDE TO HAVE THE MAJORITY AND GO IMPEACHMENT AND CONVICTION.

>> THAT'S A POSSIBILITY FOR DEMOCRATS TO CONSIDER, BUT THIS IS I THINK LOOKING AT IT KIND OF STEPPING BACK FROM A BIPARTISAN LENS, THIS IS SOMETHING REPUBLICANS MAY HAVE WANTED TO HAVE AVAILABLE TO THEM OR REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS MAY HAVE WANTED TO HAVE AVAILABLE TO THEM DURING THE BIDEN YEARS.

>> I WOULD BRING UP THE BIDEN YEARS AND TOWARD THE END OF THE BIDEN PRESIDENCY AND WE HEARD A LOT OF STUFF ABOUT HIS ABILITY TO DO WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO IN OFFICE.

THIS COULD HAVE APPLIED, COULD IT NOT?

>> CERTAINLY COULD HAVE.

AND THE LACK OF SUCH A BODY, IS SOMETHING THAT THE -- I THINK PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE FILLED BECAUSE THERE IS A PROVISION FOR IT IN THE CONSTITUTION AND SO THIS IS ONE IDEA FOR HOW TO DO THAT GAP FILLING.

AND FULFILL THE CONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE TO HAVE SUCH A BODY.

>> LAST QUESTION HERE.

AND MARK, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US BECAUSE I FIND THIS STUFF FASCINATING.

BUT IN THE MID '60s AFTER THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION AND THE IDEA OF SOMEONE INCAPACITATED MENTALLY OR PHYSICALLY, WAS THE IDEA THAT THE PRESIDENT IS JUST DOING THINGS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY, THE MAJORITY OF THE CABINET, THE MAJORITY OF CONGRESS, THE MAJORITY DOESN'T LIKE, WAS THAT THE INTENT HERE?

>> WELL, THIS SORT OF PROVISION ISN'T JUST A WHAT GEORGE TERRIEN PROVISION, RIGHT?

THE NEED FOR 3/4 OF CONGRESS AND THE BIPARTISAN COMMISSION IT WOULDN'T BE FOR NORMAL, ORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.

OR A POLITICAL WHIM THAT YOU WOULD BE REMOVING A PRESIDENT.

>> THE RIGHT.

>> IT WOULD REQUIRE QUITE A BIT OF BROAD CONSENSUS FOR EVEN EVEN THE PRIX VISION THAT JAMIE RASKIN PUT FORWARD TO TAKE EFFECT.

>> IT'S AN INTERESTING CONCEPT THEN.

>> I THINK SO.

>> YEAH.

ALL RIGHT, MARK KOKANOVICH BALLARD-SPAHR, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR.

ALWAYS INTERESTING, GOOD CONVERSATION.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, TED.

>> THE DEPARTMENT IS A BRAND-NEW MULTIMEDIA NEWS INITIATIVE BASED AT ASU'S HOWARD CENTER FOR INVESTIGATIVE JOURNAL UP.

THE BEAM'S FIRST PROJECT, IS A LOOK INTO THE INCREASING INCIDENTS OF 3D-PRINTED WEAPONS IN ARIZONA SCHOOLS.

HERE A PREVIEW OF THAT INVESTIGATION.

>> I SENT RECORDS REQUESTS TO 20 SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN ARIZONA AND ONE OF THEM THAT CAME IN I NOTICED THAT IT MENTIONED MULTIPLE TIMES 3D-PRINTED WEAPONS AND NOT ONLY THAT BUT WITH THE INTENT TO SALE AND SO I WAS TRYING TO IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, KIDS SELLING 3D-PRINTED WEAPONS ON SCHOOL PROPERTY.

I BELIEVE I THINK PARENTS AND STUDENTS WONDERING WHAT WERE THE DETAILS OF THIS SITUATION.

HOW MUCH DAMAGE CAN BE DONE, EVEN THOUGH THIS, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS PRINTED KNIFE IS MADE OF PLASTIC WHAT DAMAGE CAN BE DONE WITH IT?

CAN YOU CUT WITH IT, STAB WITH IT?

THESE ARE ALL REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS.

>> FOR MORE ON THAT INVESTIGATION AND THE BEAM'S ACCOUNTABILITY NEWS INITIATIVE, WE WELCOME MARK GREENBLATT, THE BEAM'S, BEING TIFF EDITOR AND BEAM JOURNALIST IN RESIDENCE ALICE DRIVER WHO REPORTED ON THE 3D-PRINTED WEAPONS STORY GOOD.

TODAY OF YOU BOTH HERE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US, MARK STARTING WITH YOU, GIVE ME A BETTER DEFINITION OF THE BEAM.

>> FIRST OF ALL, THANK FOR BEING HERE, THANKS FOR LETTING US BE HERE.

BUT THE BEAM IS LIKE A BEAM OF LIGHT IS THE CONCEPT.

IT'S AN EXTENDED VERSION OF THE TEACHING HOSPITAL MODEL THAT THE CRONKITE SCHOOL IS KNOWN FOR, WE WANT TO TAKE STUDENT APPRENTICES AND GIVE THEM SOME EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH REALLY TALENTED PROFESSIONAL INVEST I HAVE REPORTERS LIKE ALICE DRIVER HERE.

TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO WARM UP BEING AROUND VERY SERIOUS INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING.

>> MULTI MEDIA BUT LOTS OF HIGH-TECH GOING ON HERE, TRUE?

>> TRUE.

WE WANT TO DO INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM THAT IS REALLY RELEVANT IN ARIZONA AND BEYOND EVENTUAL AS A WE CONTINUE TO GROW.

WHAT WE ARE DOING IS NOT JUST GIVING STORIES TO IT THE PUBLIC BUT CAREER RATING A.I.

DRIVEN TOOLS THAT ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO INTERACT WITH NEWS MAKERS AND SO IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE AN EDUCATION RELATED STORE LIKE IN THE LAS ROOMS LAKE WE'LL TALK ABOUT AS WE GO ON HERE TODAY, WE HAVE BUILT A.I.

TOOLS THAT ALLOW PARENTS, TEACHERS, HE PRINCIPALS TO GO ONLINE AND REALLY INTERACT WITH THEIR SCHOOL BOARDS IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS THEM TO KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING WHERE THEY MAY NOT DO -- THEY MAY NOT WANT TO SPEND FLEA OR FOUR HOURS GOING TO A MEETING THEMSELVES.

>> RIGHT, GOUT.

AL IT'S, THIS IDEA OF 3D-PRINTED WEAPONS IN SCHOOLS, HOW DOES THAT FIT THE BEAM'S MISSION.

>> WELL, I MEAN P.I AM REALLY INTERESTED IN EMERGING TECHNOLOGY, AND ISSUES BECAUSE THERE IS POLICIES THERE IS NOT A PLACE TO ISSUE 3D-PRINTED WEAPONS IF YOU THINK ABOUT SAFETY AT SCHOOLS, BECAUSE SCHOOLS HAVE POLICIES AROUND WEAPONS BUT WHAT ABOUT 3D-PRINTED WEAPONS BECAUSE THEY ARE MADE OF PLASTIC.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE STORY A LOT OF SCHOOLS HAVE SAID, WELL, IT'S PLASTIC IT'S NOT A WEAPON WE ARE NOT TREATING IT LIKE A WOMEN THE BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THESE ARE WEAPONS THAT CAN BE USED TO WE HAVE THE SAME CAPABILITIES AS OTHER WEAPONS.

>> WE ARE TALKING PRINTED OUT KNIVES.

A QUESTION THAT YOUR STORY GOES AT YOUR QUESTION, ARE THEY TOYSES ARE THEY WEAPONS?

>> WE PRINTED OUT A 3D-PRINTED KNIFE AT WORK, MARK AS A 3D POINTER I WASN'T FAMILIAR HOW HARP IS THIS.

AND I I WANT DESCRIBED EXPERTS AND THEY SAID IT'S MADE OF PLASTIC BUT YOU CAN STAB HAVE BEEN WITH IT.

YOU CAN HURT OTHERS AND SO IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

THAT'S THE POINT OF THE ARTICLE TO GET SCHOOLS TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUES.

>> EDUCATION ISSUES IS THAT A FOCUS OF BEAM OR NO?

>> WE THINK IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT FOCUS.

K-12 PUBLIC SCHOOLS HAVE NOT RANKED WELL NATIONALLY AND WE WANT TO TAKE WE WANT TO TAKE PROFESSIONAL JOURNAL IT'SES RESOURCES FROM PRIVATE PHILANTHROPY ONE OF THE LARGEST UNIVERSITIES IN THE COUNTRY AND OTHER NONPROFIT PARTNERS AND DO STORIES ON EDUCATION THAT JUST CAN'T BE DONE ALONE AND WE ARE HOPEFULLY THAT BY TRAINING ACCOUNTABILITY REPORTERS ON THIS PROBLEM THAT WE MIGHT MAKE A DENT.

>> TALK TO ME REAL QUICKLY HEAR ABOUT THE A.I.

ASPECT.

YOU GOT YOUR OWN CHATBOTS GOING?

>> IT'S REALLY COOL.

YOU HAVE GOT TO TRY IT.

IF YOU GO TO THE BEAM.ORG WHICH IS OUR BRAND-NEW WEBSITE WE HAVE IS SET UP SO WHENEVER -- WELL, WE'VE GOT EIGHT SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT WE ARE PILOTING RIGHT NOW.

AND WE WILL ALLOW YOU TO TYPE IN QUESTIONS THAT ALLOW TO YOU REALLY INTERACT IN A VERY PERSONAL WAY WITH YOUR SCHOOL BOARD AND WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.

IF YOU WANT TO KNOW DID YOUR SCHOOL COME UP IN LAST NIGHT'S FOUR-HOUR LONG MEETING YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE MEETING ANYMORE JUST GO TO OUR BOT SOME YOU CAN ALSO FIND OUT WHAT CONTROVERSIAL THINGS MIGHT HAVE COME UP IF YOU ARE INTERESTED.

>> SOUNDS GREAT AND VERY HIGH-TECH.

THIS PRINTING STUFF, THEY PRINT IT AT HOME, PRINT IT AT SCHOOL, HOW DOES THAT WORK?

>> IN ALL OF THE CASES THAT I SAW THE KIDS PRINTED THEM AT HOME.

BUT ANOTHER RELATED ISSUE IS THAT A LOT OF SCHOOLS DO HAVE 3D PRINTERS ON CAMPUS OR, FOR EXAMPLE, COOLS HAVE 3D PRINTING CLUBS AND SO IT'S REALLY JUST ABOUT THINKING ABOUT RULES AND REGULATIONS AND POLICIES AROUND THESE PRINTERS.

SINCE IT'S VERY EASY TO DOWNLOAD BLUEPRINTS FOR WEAPONS.

>> YEAH.

AND AS FAR AS GUNS, FACSIMILES OF GUNS, CORRECT?

>> YEAH.

IN THIS CASE THERE WAS ONE GUN BUT IT WAS NOT A FUNCTIONAL GUN AND THE SCHOOL CONTACTED THE POLICE AND THE POLICE SAID THIS IS NOT FUNCTIONAL.

BECAUSE OFTEN WITH THE GUNS YOU ALSO NEED TO INSERT SOME METAL PARTS TO MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL.

SO THERE ARE ALL THESE QUESTIONS RELATED TO THESE WEAPONS LIKE HOW FUNCTIONAL IS IT.

AND ALL OF THAT AND IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT SAFETY DISCUSSION TO BE HAVING I THINK.

>> PART OF THE DISCUSSION WOULD BE SOME OF THESE KIDS ARE SELLING THEM AT SCHOOL.

>> YEAH.

IN SOME CASES THERE WAS, QUOTE, THE INTENT TO SELL THESE 3D PRINTED WEAPONS ON SCHOOL PROPERTY.

>> SO LAST POINT ON THIS, WHAT DID YOU LEARN FROM THIS INVESTIGATION?

>> I LEARNED SO MUCH BECAUSE I HAD NEVER -- I HAD NEVER SEEN A 3D-PRINTED WEAPON.

IS IT HARP?

IT IS.

AND SOME OF OUR INTERNS TAUGHT ME HOW TO DO SOME TRICKS WITH -- THAT I AM -- NOT VERY GOOD AT THROWING IT AROUND.

>> LET'S NOT DO THAT.

>> SO I LEARNED A LOT REPORTING THIS STORY.

AND THAT'S WHAT I LOVE ABOUT WORKING AT THE BEAM.

>> GREAT WORK.

AND MARK, REAL QUICKLY WHERE CAN WE FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE BEAM.

>> SO OUR WEBSITE THE BEAM.ORG AND WE HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA PRESENCE ON INSTAGRAM AND ON "X" AND OTHER PLACES PERFORMING A NEW WHATSAPP COMMUNITY WHERE IF YOU WANT US TO BE ABLE TO SEND OUR STORIES TO YOU, JOIN OUR WHATSAPP COMMUNITY.

>> INTERESTING, MARK GREENBLATT AND ALICE DRIVER CONGRATULATIONS ON THE STORY AND CONGRATULATIONS ON THE INITIATIVE.

SOUPS GOOD.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANK YOU.

♪♪ MUSIC PLAYING ♪♪ ♪♪ MUSIC PLAYING ♪♪ ♪♪ MUSIC PLAYING ♪♪ ♪♪ MUSIC PLAYING ♪♪ ♪♪ MUSIC PLAYING ♪♪ >> THE PHOENIX PUBLIC LIBRARY IS HONORING "THE WALLACE AND LADMO SHOW" BY RELEASING A SPECIAL EDITION LIBRARY CARD.

IT'S THE LATEST CELEBRATION OF ONE OF THE LONGEST-RUNNING, LOCALLY PRODUCED DAILY CHILDREN'S SHOWS IN AMERICAN BROADCASTING HISTORY.

JOINING US NOW IS LEE FRANKLIN, FROM THE PHOENIX PUBLIC LIBRARY, AND LOOK WHO ELSE IS HERE IT'S PAT McMAHON WHO PLAYED A CONSTELLATION OF CHARACTERS ON "THE WALLACE AND LADMO SHOW."

CONSTELLATION OF WARPED CHARACTERS.

>> THE 25TH AMENDMENT BY THE WAY SHOULD GERALD BE REMOVED FROM THE SHOW.

>> WELL, THAT DISCUSSION IS FOR ANOTHER DAY.

THIS DISCUSSION AND WE ARE STARTING WITH LET'S IF YOU DON'T MIND, LEE.

>> THANK YOU.

WHY ARE YOU HONORING THIS GUY?

>> I AM SO TONGUE TIED.

I AM THAT KID, I AM THAT KID.

I GROUP UP HERE IMAGINE ME AND MY BROTHER AND SISTER WATCHES THOUSANDS OF HOURS OF THE LADMO SHOW.

>> EARN HAS A LADMO BAG STORY.

YOU EITHER GOT ONE OR YOU DIDN'T.

AND WHEN YOU REACH A CERTAIN AGE IT'S STILL YOUR STORY STAYS WITH YOU.

WE ARE SO EXCITED WE THOUGHT THIS WAS THE PERFECT BLEND THE LIBRARY AND I THE WALLACE AND LADMO SHOW AND EVERYONE THAT PAT REPRESENTS THE LEGACY AND BRINGING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER IN A JOYFUL NOSTALGIC CONNECTED WAY.

WHICH YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND AT THE LIBRARY BUT THIS IS JUST ANOTHER SPARK OF JOY TO FIND AT THE LIBRARY.

>> I THE IDEA OF TYING COMMUNITY TOGETHER SOUNDS GREAT.

PAT I WANT TO ASK YOU, I DON'T THINK I EVER ASKED YOU THIS.

WHEN YOU WERE DOING THE SHOW, WHEN YOU GUYS WERE OUT THERE DOING YOUR THING AND OBVIOUSLY THE COMMUNITY CAME TOGETHER AND THE KIDS LOVED IT.

DID YOU HAVE THAT FEELING THAT WE ARE DOING SOMETHING MORE HERE THAT WAS THAN JUST ENTERTAINING?

>> I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY.

DANCERS, JUGGLERS, COMICS LEAVE THE STAGE AND FEEL I'VE MADE A CONTRIBUTION.

IT'S ONLY AFTER WHEN YOU TO YOU ABOUT 36 YEARS, I WAS ON THE SHOW FOR 30 YEARS AND I WAS THE NEW GUY.

OVERTIME.

AND STILL, OF COURSE, HONORED IN RERUNS.

BUT DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, I DON'T THINK THAT WE THOUGHT OF ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE NEXT BIT.

IS IT FUNNY?

WILL IT WORK?

AND THAT KIND OF THING.

BUT AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, WHEN THEY ARE NAMING A STREET, WALLACE AND LADMO WAY.

WHEN THE BUILDING THE WALLACE AND LADMO SHOW STARTED IS NOW BEING PRESERVED BY A LEGACY AND NOW LIBRARY SYSTEM.

AND OUR FACES, YES, THAT FACE.

>> YES, THERE HE IS, THERE IS GERALD.

>> ON A LIBRARY CARD.

>> YEAH.

>> EXTRAORDINARY.

>> THE IMPACT OF THE SHOW ESPECIALLY ON A GROWING TOWN, TOO.

>> RIGHT.

>> THAT PLAYS A FACTOR AS WELL, DOESN'T IT?

>> I THINK SO.

AND WE HAVE BEEN SO PLEASANTLY SURPRISED THAT AS BIG AS PHOENIX HAS GOTTEN IN THE TIME THAT THE SHOW WENT OFF THE AIR, SO WE KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T HERE TO SEE IT.

WE FEEL IT RESONATES STILL SO MUCH WHENEVER I MENTION OR TALK ABOUT THIS IS OUR NEXT SPECIAL EDITION CARD, WE FEEL A BIG EVENT WHERE WE ARE GOING TO UNVEIL IT ON APRIL 25TH.

WE ALREADY HAVE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE REGISTERED TO COME.

SO IT JUST TO ME IS JUST REMARKABLE IN THIS THREAD HAS, YOU KNOW, HAS STAYED SO STRONG AND IS CONNECTING LIBRARY, WALLACE AND LADMO SHOW, PAT McMAHON PLUS SO MANY MULTI GENERATION AS CROSS OUR COMMUNITY.

>> FOR SOME OF THOSE GENERATIONS THAT CAME HERE AFTER THE SHOW WENT OFF THE AIR, WHICH WAS A WHILE BACK, HOLY SMOKES IT WAS A WHILE BACK, HOW DO YOU -- HOW DO YOU TELL PEOPLE THIS IS WHAT THE WALLACE AND LADMO SHOW WAS?

>> YOU JUST HAVE TO SHOW AN EPISODE.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LET THEM KNOW THAT THE CONCEPT WAS NOT CAPTAIN KANGAROO, NOT MR.

ROGERS THOSE WERE SHOWS ABOUT VALUES, WE CONTINUED TO TELL EVERYONE WE WERE THE MOST VALUELESS CHILDREN'S SHOW IN THE HISTORY OF TELEVISION.

BECAUSE IT WAS A COMEDY SHOW.

IT'S A SKETCH SHOW.

IT'S "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE" FOR KIDS AND NEVER PRETENDED TO BE ANYTHING ELSE, NOW, THE VALUES WERE THERE.

BECAUSE GERALD WAS A BAD GUY.

KIDS RECOGNIZED IT.

AND COULDN'T STAND HIM.

CAPTAIN SUPER, ONE OF THOSE PHONEY GUYS THAT CONTINUE TO PROMISE EVERYTHING AND NEVER DELIVER.

OH, WAIT A MINUTE, MY PARENTS VOTED FOR HIM.

THAT KIND OF THING DID GO ON.

BUT MOSTLY, WE WANT TO BE ANSWER TO BE WAS IT FUNNY.

>> AND I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU THIS, WAS IT AS FUN TO PUT ON AS IT WAS TO WATCH?

>> WITHOUT QUESTION.

AND I AM NOT DOING THAT IN ORDER TO THINK FONDLY BACK IN THE OLD DAYS OF MAY PARTNERS.

BUT WE WERE THERE FIVE DAYS A WEEK TOGETHER AT CHANNEL 5.

AND THEN ON THE WEEKENDS SATURDAY AND SUNDAY DRIVING AROUND THE STATE DOING PERSONAL APPEARANCES.

THAT IS A LOT OF CLOSENESS.

AND I AM TELLING THE TRUTH RIGHT NOW, NEVER HAD AN ARGUMENT.

WE DISCUSSED STRUCTURING THE BITS AND MAYBE WE SHOULD DO THIS INSTEAD.

HOW ABOUT A DIRECTION LIKE IT, BUT THAT WAS ALWAYS THIS KIND OF CONTRIBUTION THAT WENT ON WITH THE THREE OF US TO PUT ON A COMEDY SHOW EVERY DAY FIVE DAYS A WEEK, FROM 1954 TO 1990.

>> YEAH.

>> ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

AND TO HAVE THE SUCCESS THAT IT HAD.

AND STILL HAS.

WHEN THE RERUNS ARE PLAYING AND WE GIVE AWAY A LADMO BAG EVERY SUNDAY AFTERNOON, INSTANTLY EVERYONE SAYS, I'VE GOT TO SEND IN A CARD.

THAT'S IT.

>> LEE, AS FAR AS NOW LOTS OF MEMORABILIA AND LADMO BAGS NO DOUBT.

BUT OTHER THINGS AS WELL, HUH?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WE HAVE A PROGRAM ON SATURDAY APRIL 25TH STARTING AT 11:00 A.M., FIND ALL THE DETAILS ON PHOENIX PUBLIC LIBRARY.ORG, SIGN UP TO COME.

>> IS THAT BURTON BAR CENTRAL LIBRARY.

>> I AND PAT WILL BE ON STAGE ON OUR FIFTH FLOOR SHARING A LOT OF YOUR MEMORIES AND I HOPE -- WE HOPE.

>> WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER.

>> YES.

>> LUMINARIES.

>> YES, WE'LL HAVE OTHERS FROM CONNECTED TO THE SHOW THE WALLACE AND LADMO SHOW FOUNDATION AND FAMILIES.

WE'LL ALSO HAVE A CURE -- WE HAVE A CURATE THE EXHIBIT AND I CAN PROMISE LADMO BAGS, WE ARE CLEARED TO PROMISE THAT THERE BE LADMO BAGS.

>> NOT FOR EVERYONE.

>> YOU NOT FOR EVERYONE BUT WE WILL GIVING AWAY LADMO BAGS IN THE FASHION THE WAY THEY DID ON THE SHOW.

>> AND IN ORDER TO GET A LADMO BAG AND YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS ONE.

YOU HAVE TO WIN IT.

>> YOU DON'T THINK I AM GOING TO RUNAWAY WITH THIS, DO YOU?

WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.

IT'S SO GOOD IT WAS YOU BOTH HERE, PAT, IT'S GOOD ONTO SEE YOU A BEGIN AND IT'S BEEN A WHILE AND I AM GLAD YOU ARE DOING WELL AND BEST OF LUCK ON THIS EVENT AND LEE, CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS EVENT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> A LOT OF FUN.

>> YOU'RE COLM.

WE ARE SO HAPPY TO DO IT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S A CARD, IT'S AVAILABLE, YEAH, COME GET YOUR CARD.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

HEY, THAT'S IT FOR NOW, I AM TED SIMONS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US, YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

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