>> Welcome to this special edition of the 2022 Arizona horizon.

This debate is a joint effort between PBS and the Arizona republic and joining me to moderate is Mary jo Pitzel.

>> This is a give and take between candidates and as such, interruptions are allowed, provided all sides get a fair shake and we'll do our best to see that happen.

>> We have Jerome Davidson and Dave Giles and Renee Lopez and there are two other people in this race and those candidates declined our invitation.

We chose the opening statements at random and closing in reverse order and we start more with Dave Giles.

>> Hello, I'm Dave Giles.

As your representative, I'll go to D.C. and undue all of the junk they have done.

I'll follow the constitution of the United States.

I'm a businessman.

I have an MBA, I fly commercial jet airplanes and I have federal firearm's license in Arizona.

So I have business oriented.

I have multiple technical certifications and work for the largest company in the world.

I am a man of faith, attend church weekly, I have a BA and theology, two masters of art's degrees in theology and my doctorate of dissertation.

>> Thank you.

>> And now to Jerome Davidson.

>> Thank you for having me and God bless you, Arizona, looking forward to spending time with you.

Passed out thousands of fliers, made many of calls hoping to speak with you.

I'm a former NFL player, a pastor, an author, former runningback for the Arizona sun devils, I have one son and two grandchildren.

I have served in the community for many years and served as a community leader, motivating young athletes, literally junior high, high school and college athletes to pursue athletes to do their best.

I'm a pastor and a motivator into our community and would love to be your representative.

>> I'm Renee Lopez, a third-generation Arizona Navy veteran and I want to represent you in Congress.

I started up a nonprofit to help young women rescued from sex trafficking.

I want to bring my life experiences and work in energy and technology along with my eight years of coalition building to represent you in Washington, D.C. Over the last two years, we've seen the extreme power grab that the Federal Government made over the lives and businesses and what I want to do is represent you to bring the power back to where it belongs.

You can run your business better than government and you can raise your kids.

Thank you.

>> Thank you, gentlemen and let's get it started.

Dave Giles want is the most important thing?

>> I plan to get into Congress with like-minded individuals and build the pipeline, which was approved and paid for.

We have to stop the executive orders which have made this country and stop mask mandates.

We have to stop vaccine mandates.

Government overreach is a problem.

If it's not in here, I don't support it.

We have to reserve back to the states or people and these executive orders are not in here.

>> Jerome Davidson?

>> People are concerned about parental rights and education and concerned about people teaching this sexuality to their children and parents want a say.

They don't want schools dictating that and they want parental rights and the moratorium, the rent moratorium is ending and Covid called the great divide between commerce and community and I want to heal and I'm bringing job fares to bring that together.

So that's it.

>> In addition to that, in this constitution, the department of education is not there.

That needs to be reverted back to the states.

>> Well, if that needs to be routed back to the states, in your view, what can you do in Congress if we take education out of the hands of the Federal Government and put it in the state's hands?

>> We can vote to defund the department of education.

And that is what we would do.

>> Biggest issues in district.

>> Again, also knocking on doors and walking and talking to constituents.

It's across the states and not just in our district but across this country.

What we're paying at the gas pump, what we're scared to do and scared to pay at the gross are you store is affecting all of our lives at every level.

And so, again, the Federal Government has intervened, and this needs to stop immediately and the Federal Government needs to balance their budget.

A lot of this extension of the resource, it's insane and so the Federal Government needs to reign themselves in.

What that will do is to contribute to the rest to the issues going in.

Border security is an issue and so is parental rights and if people can barely pay with their minimal paychecks make ends meet, everything else goes to the sideline.

>> How much did Covid pay a part in all of this?

>> Covid played a major part and the Federal Government did overreach.

At the city level, we dealt with this.

I fought against stateintervention and federal intervention and we won and they put us in and took job away from people that wanted to work.

>> Federal intervention want designed to talk away jobs but save lives regarding a pandemic.

Was that approach the wrong way go.

>> So initially, it was not.

If you remember back, the history, the whole two weeks, that went out, what, two years now.

This suspect a soundbyte.

This is reality and once we had the plans in place, a lot to absorb growth and the intended issues to be coming with a massive pandemic that would come.

Once those were put in place, it was time to open back up and everybody started manipulating data and we can go down the rabbit hole, and after that, it was no longer serving the purpose.

It became political.

>> It's government overreach and to say you can have a mandate for a couple of weeks and it ended up two years.

This is where executive orders have gone too far.

What I want to do is give it to like-minded representatives and only Congress is.

Congress makes the laws, not the president with the stroke of a pen.

>> Back to Covid.

Jerome, do you believe the country did the wrong thing with how many lives were lost and changed?

>> They did the wrong thing by shutting down the economy?

Students were hurt, families were hurt, a lot of emotional distress and this was shut down not by the president but by unelected bureaucrats like Dr. Fauci.

These people had more power than the president of the United States.

They overstepped their reach.

No matter how good the intentions are, breaking the law is breaking the law.

They broke the law by taking away freedom of speech and freedom to maneuver.

>> Shouldn't we be listening -- Covid was a public health concern and remains one.

And shouldn't we be listening to the experts on that as opposed to, with all due respect, politicians?

>> We believe that they have been in this position for a long time, but they failed to not follow the science.

Had they followed the science.

There would have been therapeutic cures and not getting the mandates.

>> Renee?

>> A lot of this is, one, it's data manipulation, as I mentioned before.

Going to the root cause and items that we were told, there were to many nuances and details that was not provided to the public and this goes back to the nuances of yes, I 100% agree that accountability lies with the leaders that are managing this crisis, the governors and the legislatures and also the presidents.

They're the ones that were sending edicts down and listening to experts.

When I started asking deeper questions amongst both the governor and just to general about the data that was manipulated, we got feedback it would not be provided but held back because of the undesirable intention that we may rehash that data to see where they were wrong.

Again, Covid is a mass pandemic and I completely agree we needed to do something in response and the executive orders giving local control of the cities.

>> We have to stop you because we have to get Mr. Giles in here.

Why would presidents, governors, Civic leaders, why would all of them want so much commotion, so much distraction, so much destruction to come by quote, unquote, manipulating numbers?

>> They want power.

>> It's simply a matter of power?

>> Absolutely.

You have the experts.

One expert says one way and even with the expert, they change their mind.

>> Conditions condition often.

>> You put the facts -- they're manipulating the facts.

>> Why would I want you to wear a mask and get a vaccine if I don't think it helps the pandemic?

>> Power.

You look at what it was pre-this administration when you were trying to get ventilators to the people and giving them the tools, ivermectin and get the medications to the people and stop saying that, oh, you have to wear a mask and it goes on two years.

We have to limit these powers, because with president Roosevelt decleared war, not legal, within one hour, if it's that important, Congress will make a law and we make it a law.

A stroke of the pen, it's overreach.

>> Gotcha.

>> We had several governors.

Governor Cuomo who manipulated the numbers in the hospital and put Covid positive people.

>> They had a temporary -- >> Excuse me.

We do know that they used the auspices of Covid to manipulate voting suppression and there were mail-in ballots and they used this to do the in-home voting instead of the ballots.

>> You opened up another can of worms.

>> When you have health experts saying X and politicians saying Y, and you are talking about manipulates numbers, you're in the primary here, do you think the republican voters in that district want to hear this message?

>> So I'll address it two ways and close it out that I don't know about -- I don't know the way what they do, but it was a lack of leadership because if you dial down into some of the data and the proof in the pudding, all of the stuff right now is that a lot of this, whether masks were effective or not, doing blanket edicts from a federal deposit, Wyoming is not the same as California, and so doing those edicts is one, unreasonable and practical and a lack of leadership.

Now, when we talked about this and started down this Covid path quickly, that was never mentioned when you talked about what is important in this district.

It's really about the economy.

It's about border security and parental rights.

In this district, walking around and we were walking in neighborhoods, and nobody was real concerned about Covid anymore other than the Federal Government of paying people to stay home under the guise of Covid.

>> You talk about the economy, both Renee and Mr. Giles and CD4 has intel and a strong economic sector in our state and what more needs to be done in CD4?

>> Keeping the government out of the way, too much government telling us what to do and clamping us down and closing down office buildings and open them up.

The city, for instance, not at the federal level.

At the federal level, presidential level, it's not in here, an overreach and myself being a representative going to D.C., limit the overreach and give it back to the states and the people.

If you want to wear a mask, wear a mask, don't, don't, it's your life.

Where did the Federal Government shut down buildings in Arizona?

>> Where the masks or get out buildings.

Concentrations of people.

You can't have high concentrations of people in one area.

They shut down movie theaters and shutting down schools to wear a mask.

Getting everybody out of the group area together was their goal.

They want power over you.

>> That was done at the state level, not at the federal level and that's a question of, where do you draw the line what you can do as a member of Congress.

>> One of the things at a federal level, the vaccine mandates.

>> Fired if you don't take the vaccine, remember that?

>> People in the airline sector working in healthcare and they were very concerned about the shot, very concerned about their own health, very concerned about what they put in their own bodies and the governor mandated either you get the shot or lose their job.

It has hurt the economy psychologically.

There's a lot of people psychologically not willing to go back to work because they're afraid of the Covid or not getting the mandated shot.

>> Let's talk about something very topical, abortion with the leaked draft of the Supreme Court opinion that came out last week.

What is your position, let's start with Renee, should Congress pass a federal ban on abortions or better to leave it to the states?

>> When it comes to the Roe v. Wade, and first off, whoever leaked that, again, needs to be found and held responsible because that violates everybody that's work for the Supreme Court.

And the general Federal Government.

Any leak does need to be rooted out and removed.

And when it comes to, again Roe v. Wade, I believe there's an overreach in the beginning.

It was where the Supreme Court was out of whole cloth creating law and policy, no legislative mandate.

They decided that they were going to say that Roe v. Wade allows abortion nationwide.

And so, where I stand on this is that that repeal -- I'm very happy and pleased that they are going to be considering it.

I don't know where it will land and only draft provided was the counterdraft and wondering on the other side not leaked, right, and wondering if there's one this play.

The Supreme Court overstepped their bounds and set their powers.

If they set law, it makes them the most powerful branch in government and we don't need anyone else.

It puts them legislation needs to deal with it and if not, it goes to the states.

>> Mr. Giles.

>> It's an overreach of Federal Government.

>> If you were in Congress, would you vote for a federal ban on abortion?

>> No, it's not part of the constitution.

You stick with this.

>> Mr. Davidson?

>> You believe being an African-American, I do know there was a plan for planned parenthood to use it at a minimum.

We make up 12% of the population in America and should be far, far above that.

Would I do a Federal Government?

No.

It's government overreach and I support it's going back to the states and hopefully the states would look at the history and look at the history hurting and destroying not open the fetus and the woman.

The statistics tell us that the African-American women who get these processes are at higher risk of breast cancer and that's why it's higher in African-American women.

>> If abortion is more limited as this draft might suggest -- >> The draft is not suggesting that.

It's saying it goes to the states.

The states can make it more or less limited.

>> We're in a state where we have a new law that would limit it and make it a tighter restriction after 15 weeks and my question is, should anything be done on the other side of that equation for births where impoverished or distressed?

>> People wanting to adopt everywhere.

>> There's a lot of kids up for adoption looking for homes.

>> I don't believe we should, you know, fund planned parenthood because that was a racist organization because there is lower income women who have health concerns let's keep that portion and let that be funded.

As far as abortion, whether on a federal or state level that goes to planned parenthood should be banned.

>> We don't need or funding.

>> More services if this goes through, Renee?

>> I serve a nonprofit and out of sex trafficking comes a lot of intended births.

You're kind of putting in a couple of star arguments and nuances that are not really an abortion debate.

When you talk about whether services are needed at a state level for young women with children, we have wick and snap programs and out of these programs that help them.

Are they underfunded?

They need more accountability?

Yes, I have family members working three years with the county and day in and day out, they say abuse and the waste that occurs.

This comes back to government never does anything very well in a mass spectrum.

So these problems that we're talking about, they do need to be dealt at a state level and those priorities set by the public, the voting population out there, they need to be coming forward to the state legislature to say we need more priorities on child protective services and on education, whether it be before a birth and/or after birth.

>> And let's pivot and shift.

Who on the presidency in 2020?

>> Bernie sanders should have been the DNC county in 2016.

Bernie sanders should have been the DNC county in 2016 because one of Bernie sanders attorneys took it to court and got the DNC to confess they did not have to respect the will of the people.

My question is, why wouldn't they do that to us?

There were a lot of things that have taken place and it didn't have to be fraud on a massive scale.

But in six swing states, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia.

>> Who won it in 2020?

>> I believe President Trump.

>> Why?

Nothing has been proven or made it to court and why do you believe that?

>> The evidence is there.

>> Why do the courts believe it?

>> The courts never allow it into court.

We have judges in Pennsylvania who have said that 200 now ballots were illegal and that they should not have been admitted because they broke the law.

>> Last question on this?

Why would a court not accept evidence of that?

>> I have no idea.

>> Who won in 2020?

>> Technical according to the plots Biden won, but if you take them out, President Trump, but you know there's over 30,000 ballots that are wrong and why is the attorney general doing nothing?

>> Wait a minute, I thought that the audit found more vote for Biden -- >> Yeah, 100.

>> -- and fewer for trump.

The audit confirmed on the high side what the official results were.

>> If I count them again, I get the same off by 100.

That's not the problem.

You have 30,000 invalid ballots and get them out.

>> Why has nothing been indicted over glaring evidence?

>> Not doing his job.

>> I don't know why.

Ask him why.

>> We had an admission by the president, Joe Biden, we caught it on video tape.

We have put together the greatest fraud team in American history.

You haven't seen it.

>> No, we have not seen it.

>> Oh, the video is there.

>> He used the word fraud?

>> Word for word?

>> That needs to be played.

>> Renee, who won the election?

>> The election was certified by all of the states and it was certified by the legislation that President Biden is our president.

Now, are there shenanigans?

Probably.

This is nothing new.

There have been fraudulent and loss of trust by the American people in our electoral college and in the election process since bush and Gore.

You can go back that far, people were throwing out election fraud claims back then and only been a sliding scale worse.

So this is nothing new and we still have a lot of people out there that can report on fraud that they've seen at the polling places and a lot of the mail-in ballots and so again, it's nothing new.

What we need to do to move forward and get passed this is for the state legislation across all states to start reinstituting, to reinforce audittability and trust.

>> Maricopa had numerous and they described an audit and nothing was found.

>> That's not 100% correct.

>> No wide-spread fraud.

>> Those are parsing words.

I don't want to rehash data.

President Biden is our president.

My son is about to be a commissioned officer.

But what we need to do is ensure we restore the trust of the American people into our election processes and that only happens if state legislature steps up.

>> Do you think voters want to hear that message, the message we're hearing, wide-spread fraud, all sorts of shenanigans and tighten things up?

Is that what the voters want to hear?

>> I think the voters want all possible ways of fraud eliminated, like such as no more mail-in ballots like you're dead or serving in the military.

Get rid of mail-in plots.

>> Get rid of early voting?

>> That's what people want?

>> Yes.

Show up at the polls in-person because one piece of fraud is out of there and get our voting roles clean up and that's what Maricopa county needs to be doing, get us to vote.

We've been voting in-person for 200 years.

>> Should we get rid of early voting?

>> Yeah, in some cases, I believe in cases of health risk and health issues.

>> Soldiers overseas, of course, yeah, we need that, but as far as early voting and just mail-in ballots, that's open to and acceptable to cheating.

>> Is that something republican voters want?

>> I've been at every integral rally and they want to get rid of the machines and go back to the paper ballots and they want honest and true elections.

>> Renee, do voters in your district want to get rid of early voting?

>> No, not that I've heard.

As I've said before.

This is in the top three or four items that our constituents are about grocery bills, indoctrinating our teachers and going to rallies intended to talk about corruption in the vote and that's what they talk about making sense and when I'm door-knocking, it's brought up just as to, are we going to be ensured we have a fair election?

They're trying to make sure our next election can be audited.

All of the other stuff is at a state level.

Every state needs to be dealing with this and we know our community is better than Washington, D.C.

I want to close out by saying, I am opposed vehemently to HR1 going through because this is a state issue and the local people need to pick because of the different environments across the United States.

It's for the states to decide.

>> Well, let's -- since you've mentioned education, expand more on that, on what the role of the Federal Government won't be concerning what happens in the classroom.

What, if any, is the role of the Federal Government what goes on when your kids are in there?

You want to start.

>> Here we are back to the constitution.

It's not in the constitution.

The Federal Government shouldn't be talking about it, to the people, or the states.

Personally, I don't want them brain-washed over talking about this.

Reading, writing and arithmetic and getting the scores up, competent.

These are the future of our people and making sure they're competent to take on when we leave.

>> Renee?

>> So, I agree with that in principal.

Sounding like a broken record.

That's what we have school districts and superintendents at the states.

The Federal Government doesn't need to be involved in educating or kids.

The parents in coordination, they need to be involved.

Phenomenal schools, and we stayed in our public schooled the entire time and one of the best graduation rates and no special treatment from the superintendent of schools and they had a great leadership and great board and that's where the parents immediate to go and net have been vilified for it from the Federal Government and they've been vilified because they're trying to protect their children.

>> Jerome?

>> The Federal Government should not have any hands on the education system in the states.

The states should handle that.

The parents should have more rights and say in the curriculum for their children.

I believe that vilifying the parents is by the government, the AD was a terrible move and motivated the parents to get more involved in their children's education.

I believe they should stop talking about sexualization with children and allow parents to do and say whatever time they want to introduce this conversation to their children.

But the state should stay out of the educational system.

>> You believe that, but Congress, you don't want Congress to have that responsibility?

>> No.

Dave, the border wall, I believe you would like to have that completed?

>> Yes.

>> Why do you think the wall has not been completed so far?

>> Because they don't want to complete it.

This is a piece of the wall on the ground.

People can just walk across any time they want.

We got into Covid and they can come across without masks but the border is our country and we need to keep it secure without drugs coming in, killing the people and the human trafficking coming this, the illegal immigrants and one of the laws we need to change.

Just because you step a foot in the United States, you don't get benefits.

We need to stop that 14th amendment where they're all entitled to all of the welfare and education and it's taxing us.

We cannot afford to educate and take care of the entire world.

>> For those other say a bolder wall is expensive, in effective, it hurts the environment.

>> Tell that north Korea and south Korea and like around Pelosi's house.

It is effective.

You come in through the ports that are aligned of entry.

Do it the legal way.

I have several friends that have become American citizens by choice.

And they paid the time do it.

>> Jerome, the border wall is to the completed and why do you think it's to the completed?

President Trump pledged it would be and Mexico would pay for it and still not built.

Is it the right thing to do?

>> It is the right thing to do.

We see once Biden came in, the same week he came into office, he stopped the construction of the wall and paid the contractors not to finish completing the wall and it was working and necessary because I believe it's also a humanitarian effort, as well.

We have people coming into this country -- if you have the opportunity to come into America, wouldn't you take that trip?

We have women raped, children killed on these convoys into America.

It's dangerous.

They're trafficking drugs into here and the wall works.

And President Trump, I believe he did create a way for Mexico to pay for it.

He created a treaty between Canada and Mexico and buying our produce from our farmers and up to billions of dollars.

That was enough to pay for the wall.

>> Renee, why isn't the wall built and do you think a physical wall is the best way to address immigration concerns and border security concerns.

>> You're grayings over two different issues with border security and immigration.

>> It's tracking weapons and cash back.

The mass amount of human tracking.

You see this on the front lines.

These women are sex trafficked and come in to be human trafficked and realize they can make ten times as much off of them as sex trafficked.

Open border does is grow the vulnerable population within our country that are susceptible to the predators.

So that needs to be addressed.

At the Federal Government, they've iced any law enforcement entity that wants to enforce the border rules and laws and regulations and they're told not to and they get vilified and we've seen it before in Texas and vilified for trying to do their job.

>> Dave?

>> The state can take over, as well, it's an invasion.

The states and Texas is taking it up.

We need to secure our borders because the border security is stepping the illegal stuff and they have to go through the port and immigration is another immigration and we need to stop it because the bait, all they do is step one foot into the U.S. soil and I'm in.

>> There are nuances and I do appreciate in Arizona, we have to build it if the feds don't.

A lot of that is federal land and Indian land.

Difference in Texas is that many of the area incomplete was state land.

So there's nuances there that we also need to be wary of because we want to make sure we're not overstepping our bounds.

>> Are there nuances with high tech devices other than that a wall?

>> Like anything, businesses and finance, you need a diverse way of dealing with any issue and you need to look at how things are working.

You can't tell me walls don't work because California wound up filling their wall in the Yuma sector and they is the most amount of crossings.

They stopped crossing in San Diego and they come how to Arizona.

Interesting how that occurs.

So a wall provides a barrier.

Sit the end all-be all?

No, but you need a will of the Federal Government to enforce the laws to begin with, which we're missing.

>> On the immigration front related, I would like to get your opinions on the dream act, people brought here as children growing up in the U.S. being allowed citizenship?

>> There's seven things to do to be a United States citizen and one of the things to propose to change is the background check.

Being a federal firearm's dealer, I can do a background check on anyone to purchase a gun and have an answer in five minutes.

When you have a dreamer coming in, they came in and they're seven years old and us is looking at them saying, where did you come from?

So they contact the police in that area and what do you have on them?

Any felonies or convictions and the police say, we have nothing.

Well, they must be hiding something.

And this takes several years.

>> This is for a 7-year-old?

>> That came over at 7 years old and 20 or 30 years old and most of the dreamers have 30.

If they wanted to be citizens, they should have had papers submitted by now.

We need to get rid of the background check.

There's one hundred questions.

All of the answers there.

>> Is that a yes or no on the dream act?

>> I would say no.

>> Jerome?

>> I would say yes and no.

It's a kind of perplexed situation.

You have people that are coming into this country and their parents brought them here and they've been raised here and contributed to society and working and doing what they have to do.

But I believe there should be a process.

We sha make an immigration process to the dreamers to complete your citizenship and they have a chance to be assimilated into our country and be citizens in a time frame and we give them a chance.

>> Accelerated time.

>> Accelerated time to have more immigration judges and more serious about our immigration process and that way we don't have people coming in and onlying up this border and rushing the border.

We need them through our assimilation process to know who they are and not coming through the border.

>> Renee?

>> So, when it comes to the dream act, I have the same sense of immigration policy and Visas and everything else.

I'm willing to have that discussion once the border is closed and secured because until then, we've been hood winked.

When we start down these discussions, even during the Trump Administration, even with the Reagan administration, that we were secured, bordered and they opened it back and we ahead to do that first.

And then, I'll start discussions with any other immigration policy, yes,we are a nation of immigrants.

However, I will not have that discussion until then.

>> Won't constitute a closed and secure border?

>> That we now control all ports of entry so that we don't have people sneaking in through again the gaps in the wall and addressed the tunneling and I'm from the southern Arizona area in Douglas and we know all of the tunnels and the lack of using technology -- you talk about the dollar value, we lose more in Covid fraud than it would have taken to finish building the wall.

>> Hands down.

>> I'm trying to figure out what a closed and secure border would look like.

>> You'll secure border is down through ports of entry.

Just like in the northern border in Canada, all transfers are done through ports of entry.

I don't think that's too much to ask.

>> How it takes so long is because of this background check because anyone of they've people citizens can pass that test in a day.

>> Do you believe the border should be resolved first before any consideration would be made for the dream act?

>> That's a question and no thing.

It will push the dreamer to get it done.

All of the test questions, these they can do and who is the president?

They can pass this and the dreamer can get it done in a day and the become check holding it up and if we can speed that up by telling the background -- the people -- stop checking down in South Africa where they've never been because the police have to record of these people ever being there and stop claiming they must be hiding something.

Use ATF like the firearm and put it to use and put the data in there and get a yes or no immediately and that's your background check.

>> I could tell you what it also looks like, when you have title 42, which is getting ready to end in a couple of weeks, is that this will create an extra flood of --an invasion.

Go to the remaining Mexico policy and find out how is it 100,000 people are forming in the lower parts of Mexico and how are they forming and who is paying for them and we need to get to the bottom of who is funding this and how it's starting to cut that out.

So we can stop having an invasion at the border.

That's what a closed border to look look to no longer come through and come over water and come into the country.

Once they get their foot on the country, they are our issue and we pay for their healthcare and pay for birthing and housing.

It's a real burden on the American people.

>> The last question on this -- and Renee, we'll start with you, should businesses that hire undocumented immigrants, should they be more strictly penalized and should there be more responsibility on that end?

>> So, I'll try to give you a short answer, but yes.

This immigration debate that we're having right now, we hardly touched on the financials of housing and the inflation going on in this country.

That's the number one reason people are at issue that people are having in our district.

Water is growing.

We live in Arizona and coming into a water crisis and we didn't get asked at all about water.

That's the major economic driver and growth that we need in Arizona and we didn't touch on that.

Those are the issues that our people are dealing with in our district.

You know, immigration, yes, they want security and that comes to also a law and order discussion because people won't want to move businesses into south Arizona if they're overrun by illegal crossings and traffickers and people won't want to open a business in any city when they're rioted up and totally destroyed.

>> Real quickly, Jerome.

Should businesses be further penalized if they hire undocumented immigrants?

>> A nation without laws not a nation.

I believe there should be instructor penalties.

>> Dave?

>> More penalties.

You can't encourage people to break the law and if you give them jobs, you encourage people to break the law.

People want to make money and want to work and honest, good, hard-working people and they're breaking the law.

You can't allow them to break a law and say it's OK. everify should be working.

I don't want our businesses suffer and tell them -- I don't know what to tell them.

>> I don't want to let this end, let's talk about housing and the homelessness problems that we have and the costs of the rising costs of finding shelter.

Renee, you raised it and what would you do in Congress to address those things?

>> The way we address it is reducing inflation at the federal level and that's all we should be involved in.

>> How do we do that?

>> Balancing the budget, by stop printing money and letting businesses run their own business.

The Federal Government does not need to be involved in that.

The reduction of regulation will save them billions of year easily and when you come to housing, it is not the job of the Federal Government.

It is not for us to decide how much your house is worth and how much you pay for rent.

I sold my house and I don't want them to say you can't sell that because it's too much.

It's not their role.

We have stopped our state that people want to be here and it will be here.

If we have growing businesses and north in chandler, when they want to be in a city or in a state, it's going to wind up driving up prices.

We see a rising wage and inflation of the Federal Government, we hopefully curb some of that and so people can get back to work and live reasonably.

>> Quickly, Jerome?

>> We can also stop foreign investors from buying so much property and this is raising the cost of property and we have so many investors from overseas and we can put a limit on that in our state.

Also, also, by closing the border, people are complaining about the rent and that is making the landlords make the rent go up and now they see, they can charge 2,000 and the government will pay for it and evicting the citizens of America and now they're bringing in the illegals and the government is subsidizing for their rent and things they can deal with.

>> Economics.

Bringing in economics to Arizona, talking about housing and getting government out of the way.

It saddens me we can spend $32 billion dollars to protect someone else's border and not our own.

The doctors, the nurses and staff are great and veteran's administration but not medical.

And what about the homeless, we can build housing, help the people build housing and do whatever you can to help the people who are here.

Take care of our own before we take care of somebody else.

>> A little more than a minute and a half left.

Renee, a lot of agreement on the set, you're all the same party and why should republican voters choose you and not these other two?

>> I've served as an elected official and I understand the nuances of having to deal with issues in a grander scale.

>> Jerome, again, and you, not them, why?

>> Well, because Congress is short of a lot of businessmen and Congress is short of bold, strong, God-fearing people in government and that's what we need in this hour.

>> Closing students, but I'm trying to get differentials?

>> I'm competent and so what?

I'm a businessman with an NBA and work for the largest oil company in the world and I'm a man of my word.

>> I'm a man of my word and time constraints.

>> We start with Renee Lopez.

>> The one thing that differentiates us is the candidates, they never had to cast a vote and be held accountable.

I have a proven track record of fighting for businesses and backing the police and fire and making sure that we push back against the state and Federal Government.

So people can run their businesses and run their lives.

Too many times we send politicians to Congress and they lose sight on the purpose of why they're there.

I want to represent you in Congress to make sure that you are able to live your lives and raise your kids without Federal Government getting involved.

>> And now the closing statement from Jerome Davidson.

>> You've seen us on stage here Congress, Americans, we're tied of them telling us what to do.

It's time now to send in people who want and everyday Americans like yourself and I and I should go in and represent you because I am your everyday person and I've been with you for the birth of your children, for their graduations, at ballgames and I hear your issues daily and unlike most opponents, I've been there daily throughout most of your life as your pastor for close to 30 years and I would love to have your support and I would like for you to go to my website and make a donation.

>> And now Dave Giles.

>> I want to go to D.C. as a legislator and get our economy back on track.

The price of gasoline is out of range and everything is costing more because of the current administration has hampered us here in Arizona and you, we have have to undue what's been undone and we have to get like-minded people, other Congressmen, other Congressmen in D.C., make laws and legislation and I promise to create legislation that will back out the patriot act and get our political prisoners out of prison.

>> Are you all done?

>> I promise to serve you people and to give you an idea how to contact me, my 602-28-1388, my personal cell phone.

>> Our next debate is Wednesday when we hear from the republican candidates running for Arizona attorney general at 5:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. and streamed live at APS.org.

>> You can watch it live again where you can catch all past shows, as well, and follow coverage at the Arizona republic and AZcentral.com.

>> And that is it for now.

I'm Ted Simons and thank you for joining us.