>> Ted: Coming up next hon Arizona horizon, a clean election's debate among all six republican candidate for state attorney general and an hour-long debate and next on Arizona horizon.

Good evening and welcome to the special election 2022 edition of Arizona horizon.

Tonight, it's a debate sponsored by clean elections, your source for non-partisan election information and tonight features the republican candidates for Arizona attorney general and this is not a formal exercise here.

This is an open exchange of ideas and give and take between candidates for one of the state's most important offices.

As such,injections are allowed and candidates will give opening statements and then later give closing statements in the opposite order and joining us now for the debate, our federal prosecutor Lacey Cooper and private attorney, Rodney glassman, and prosecutor and judge Andrew Gould, attorney and manufacturing executive, don Grove, former Maricopa county prosecutor, Abraham H mixerumaday and Tiffany shed and we begin with judge Andrew Gould.

>> I just retired from the Arizona Supreme Court earlier this year and decided to make that decision because of the importance of the AG's office.

You need state law to protect you, your family, your businesses and your property and you need someone who has the knowledge and experience to enforce those laws and I'm committed to making this state safe for you and your families and no one has retired from the court.

I'm the first one to run for state-wide office and I've done it to show my commitment to you.

My primary concern is over the border.

I look forward to discussing tonight, my unique, no trespassing plan.

>> Thank you very much and now we turn to Lacy Cooper.

>> Well, border security is the number one issue facing our state and our country today.

Border security is national security and the amount of Fentanyl in our country from Mexico doubled last year and Fentanyl is the number one killer of young Americans.

The cartels, terrorist organizations control our southern bolder on border on the Mexican side.

And that means border resources are strapped and hundreds of thousands are sneaking in without detection.

I was a border control section chief for the U.S. attorney's office and I know how to secure our southern border and my name is Lacy Cooper and I look forward to winning your vote.

>> For our next opening statement, we have Rodney glassman.

>> Good evening.

My name is Rodney glassman and like president Reagan and President Trump, I used to be a Democrat.

I made the change almost seven years ago when Donald Trump got into race for president.

I knew we had to build the wall and secure or borders.

Democrats were focused on radical socialist policies than creating jobs or standing with law enforcement.

And I'm an airforce prosecutor.

I prosecuted drug dealers and financial crimes and protected victims of sexual assault.

I'm a private attorney in-town where I practice business law and high-stakes litigation and running for attorney general because I know the job of the attorney general is to protect you and your families and, frankly, my family, from the government.

And I look forward to earning your vote.

>> Ted: Thank you very much and our next opening statement is from don Grove.

Dawn drove.

>> I'm Dawn Grove and people have asked me to run for public office and I said no.

I said God would have to completely change my heart to campaign for any political office and I received a calling.

I can't sit back while the ruling class openly turned citizens into subjects and I'm a wife and mom.

I can't sit back while government policies strip away parental rights and mandate masks and treatmentses that treatments that harm or children.

I have been in business for two and a half half decades.

They carry out mandates they have to legal authority for and I'm a patriotic American and I can't sit back while the Federal Government spikes inflation all while refusing to do their mandated job to guard our border and I want to secure our border and elections and secure the wonderful things about Arizona that we love.

>> Ted: Our next statement is from Abraham Hamaday.

>> I'm a prosecutor at the Maricopa county's office and I'm an intelligence officer and I just returned from a 14-month long tour from the Middle East and I don't mean to say this, but I no longer recognized our country and many of us feel that way and if you see what we put up with, our founding fathers would be ashamed of us and having our loved ones day alone at the hospitals and our borders that are lawless.

It's time for a new generation of leadership and new blood.

>> Ted: Thank you very much and our final onlying statement from Tiffany shed.

>> Hi, I'm Tiffany shed, a watered, business and natural resource attorney and I also happen to live on a fourth generation farm, 90 miles from the border and only 45 minutes from the studio.

And what we are seeing right now is unprecedented amounts of human smuggling across the border and my 15-year-old has never known what it's like to live on a farm when it wasn't a smuggling route and, you know, frankly, I have skin in the game and tired of this border situation not corrected for decades.

I'm also a mom, a former bilingual Kindergarten teacher, a school board member and home school parent and I've been fighting for parental rights for 20 years.

The one constitutional mandate for the AG's office is to maintain individual liberties and whether that's the sec amendmentsecondamendment or first, I will do that everyday.

>> Ted: Thank you very much, candidates and let's get things started.

Andy, ArizonaAndi, Arizona put a man to death today and how do you feel?

>> I think sometimes people get the piss taken idea that someone who hasn't committed committed a crime, there's a special sentencing sentencing hearing and a series of reviews.

When I was on the Supreme Court, we were the first review of the trials and then habias corpus right views up the U.S. Supreme Court.

So I think it's a good system and it's a very hard decision to make as a judge, but there are crimes where it's the proper penalty to impose and it's the law and held constitutional.

>> Ted: Rodney, your thoughts?

>> I can make it simpler.

He killed someone and he showed no remorse today and I spoke with one ofmy friends who of my friends at the death chamber.

He was articulate, talking about his crime, citing statutes and meanwhile, he had a defense counsel wasting tons of years, talking about how he didn't understand what was going on and named his victim by name and said let's get this shit done.

When it comes to the attorney general's race, I'm a conservative fighter that wants to be the attorney for the state of Arizona, to protect Arizona from the government.

We live if a time now where Democrats across the country are weaponnizing attorney general's office.

You have Joe Biden just last week calling the 76 millions of us who voted for President Trump the most extreme group to ever impact our country and meanwhile, we have someone, Andy Gould and I've heard him say it this should not be a Partisan office and I couldn't disagree with you more.

>> Rodney, have you looked into a man's eyes and sentenced him to life?

>> Do you think this should be a Partisan office?

And I've heard it, this should not be a Partisan office.

>> Ted: We'll get to the Partisannization of this.

>> I don't think you've sentenced anybody to death.

>> Ted: This happened to Arizona in eight years, capital punishment.

>> I believe in capital punishment and I think of the case of somebody who is on death row for a murder and commits a murder.

What consequence as we as a society give somebody in that circumstance?

That's not the only circumstance in which it's appropriate but the easy one for people to wrap their brains around if they're inclined to agree with capital punishment.

>> Ted: How do convince them it's justice?

>> A law in the books and as Andy said, it's upheld in the constitution.

The solution for somebody who disagrees is to go to the Arizona state legislature.

>> Ted: Dawn, what do you think about the fact Arizona executed someone?

>> It's a sad thing, but at the same time, we need justice for victims and a lot of people who have been victimized and need that justice.

It's an important part of enforcing the law in Arizona and a necessary thing that we have to do so that victims don't suffer unnecessarily and feel they have to take the law in their own hands.

>> Ted: Would you as attorney general expedite 20 some people on death row?

>> The long way so many people have had for justice may, indeed, require expediting that and it has been a long time.

They go through many, many appeals and the most important thing as attorney general is making sure that it's a just verdict.

We're not looking for convictions but justice.

And once you determine this is the defendant, this person has actually admitted to it and you know that that is a just result and the right thing to have that justice for the victim.

>> Ted: Abe, your thoughts?

>> I I think it was a good thing.

It's been 44 years that the crime was committed and this justice delayed is an injustice for all and you're talking about what's happening.

This all goes down to the whole George Soros and AG's office and the death penalty, so crimes so heinous, the only just penalty is death.

I'm a former prosecutor.

You see them come across all of the time.

So to talk about, we don't have to look at just the actual criminal, but the victim's family and what they've been put through the past 44 years.

>> Ted: Would you overturn this if it was sentenced to death?

>> If there was a reason for it, obviously.

If he was determined not to -- if there was some error with the legal proceedings, yes.

The whole purpose of being a procedure and a top law enforcement officer in the state is to seek justice and that's what I intend to do as attorney general.

>> Ted: Tiffany?

>> I support capital punishment and one of the reasons I do in the United States, we have constitutional rights, due process and anyone sentenced to death in Arizona was sentenced to death by a jury of their peers and I have a close friend who was murdered and on death row and it's important for the victim's families that they won't get out on patrol.

And I think they need to be quicker, but, you know, as as long we're making sure they are guilty of the crime, I think it's an important part of justice.

>> Let me add this, I had a case on the court where we affirmed a death sentence and the defendant took a 3-year-old girl and beat her for three days.

NowThe photos of her body, her arms and legs were black and blue.

When she couldn't get up to use the bathroom, he started throwing her around the bedroom and started banging her head against the bathroom door.

When we look at something like that and the only thing he said was that he suffered from PTSD, who speaks for that little girl, that child?

There are crimes to heinous and I'm telling I've seen many, many of these and handled a lot of them, where we've got a good system.

We can always do better.

>> Ted: I want to get back to the conversation that we had, that Rodney you approached regarding the attorney general's office.

How much of an activist should the attorney general of Arizona be?

I believe the job of the attorney general is to protect Arizona citizens from the government.

I'm applying for a job to be their lawyer and so, I will lead the office as a conservative republican fighter and that is the differentiator.

>> Ted: You would be an activist in office?

>> I would have sued to aid off the ballot before the election instead of after, which had an impact on the 2020 election.

When government is trying to shut down businesses, hospitals, when they're shutting down churches, the attorney general is the lawyer that says, no, you can't do that.

When schools are trying to mask kids, push critical race their, and it's the attorney general that is supposed to fight that.

It's a Partisan fighter and that's why I was very concerned when I got the recording that was sent to me about Andy Gould telling people this should not be Partisan.

Andy, should the attorney general's office be a Partisan office, yes or no?

>> When it victims to comes to the border, you have to be an activist.

You have to get a law in order -- Poly policy.

You need to be aggressive to defend people, but in terms of trying to be an activist, to twist the law, an activist D.A., the D.A.

of New York won't prosecute armed robbery unless someone gets shot.

In Washington state, he wouldn't prosecute the crimes when they set up towns in downtown Seattle.

You don't weaponnize the law to push your own agenda.

>> Citizens in Arizona, Ted, deserve to fight for republican values.

>> When you act, you have to act swiftly and strongly.

>> Ted: Lacey, can you be an activist and legally represent all of Arizona?

>> Well, you uphold the constitution and the rule of law and then you are representing all of Arizona because that's what that job is.

I am applying to be a government lawyer, I've been a government lawyer 15 years.

I don't understand how Rodney is applying for this job and trying to save the government or save people from the government.

Who's going to save us from Rodney if he is a government attorney?

>> Ted, we're at a point and the Democrat has said this, that one of us will be running against in the general election.

The nominee said she will not protect life.

She will not execute the lives of the state.

>> Ted: Which raises my original question, Tiffany to you, would you be an activist attorney general?

If so, how do you represent all of Arizona legally?

>> So the attorney general's office is an elected position, not an appointed position for a reason because it's where law, politics and policy meet.

And I'm a constitutional conservative and the one mandate for the AG's office is to maintain the individual rights of people in Arizona.

Now, I believe that the attorney general's office should be not only enforcing the law and protecting people from government or take away their rights but working with our state legislature to promote good policy, to do things to be able to secure the border, to not have mandates.

To say it's not a political office, if it wasn't would be Wyoming where the governor appoints the attorney general.

>> Ted: Dawn, what did you make of this, of politicizing the office and some are criticizing the current attorney for overpoliticizing the office?

How far do you go -- no, Rodney -- Rodney, please.

Dawn?

>> The attorney general needs to be the attorney for all of the people of Arizona and that said, the Arizona constitution says that the purpose of government is to protect and maintain individual rights.

So as attorney general, I would be very active in making sure to maintain individual rights, to push back on overreach into families, freedom and enterprise and U.S. constitutional rights and Arizona constitutional rights and to make sure we keep people as free as they can possibly be.

>> Ted: Abe, activist, Partisanship, politicalization and how far do you go as attorney general.

>> Quite frankly, the media is on display.

From 2009 to 2017 under barack Obama, they sued him about 80 times.

When Donald Trump took office in the first year, they sued him over 90 times.

It's been politicized, but the Democrats are doing a better job at it.

>> Ted: We'll give you that, but do you continue that?

Do you change that?

>> Justice is not Partisan.

I'll fight against the radical left and it's not protecting us from government.

You're talking about big businesses involved now, too, and a big component is to protect senior accidents and citizens and it's all encompassing and protecting the rights of people in Arizona and to secure their liberties.

>> Ted: Tiffany, I'll start with you on this one and did the current attorney general do the right thing in signing to certify Arizona's presidential vote?

>> So, that's a really hard question in 2020 hindsight?

>> I don't want to certify an election that I don't know there was integrity.

Their laws are not suggestion and I think with what we've seen coming out of the Maricopa county supervisors not wanting to hand over information, people have a question.

And so going forward as attorney general, I will not certify an election unless I know that we have election integrity, election laws were forced.

Frankly, one of the things I saw so shocking, my family is native American and I was on the Navajo nation on election day and there were poll workers telling native Americans who didn't get to vote until 1948 that if you're a registered Democrat, it's illegal to vote republican.

That's criminal level voter fraud.

>> Ted: It is and were those folks charged.

>> They were not.

>> Ted: That's something for law enforcement, but you would not have signed because you would have questions?

>> I would hope I would never be in a position that I didn't know and if I didn't know, I would sign.

>> Ted: Abe?

It's the witness for certification.

>> Ted: He's still there.

Would you have signed?

>> No.

You see the 2000 mule document and that's atrocious.

They're using gloves and taking them off and so much fraud that we're discovering now.

I voted in the 2020 election on my deployment overseas and when I got back, I had multiple mail manufacturemail-in ballots and to tell us the 2020 was the most safe and secure in history, it's a lie, but you think one of the greatest shames, the one who certify is Doug Ducey and Katie Hobbs and you heard the hail to the chief and he hung up and such a disrespectful display to President Trump at the time.

>> Ted: Did he do the right thing in signing the certificates?

>> No, not only in a witness but six months before the election, Arizona has a law in the books that says you need two valid forms to register to vote and the attorney general wasn't doing that.

We have a law that says ballot harvesting is prohibited and who is in charge?

The attorney general and a law right now that says every county is to manage an audit permanent early list.

We live in a state where the realtor's association knows who died and who moved, but our local county recorder can't do that.

So mark Brnovich was asleep at the wheel well before November of 2020 and the Supreme Court with Andy Gould allowed it allowed 208 to stay on the ballot because mark Brnovich didn't sue and another $25 million into our election and 50,000 volunteers and we fell short.

I'm the only one on the stage by supporting President Trump.

>> Ted: You would not have signed then?

>> No, mark Brnovich has been asleep at the wheel too long.

>> Ted: Lacey, would you have signed?

>> We know there was fraud because people being prosecuted for it today and Tiffany just gave enough example and I take her word that's what's happening.

>> Ted: How many people are prosecuted today?

>> I don't know exactly how many.

I know there's an investigation still pending with the attorney general's office and we need an attorney general who understands election law and investigates when claims of fraud happens and investigating while the election is happening and not waiting until after the fact.

If we can stop or deter it from happening at the time.

We need an attorney general who knows you can't carry around other people's ballots with you wherever you go.

>> Ted: Would you have signed?

>> As a witness.

>> Ted: As a witness?

>> Sure.

>> Ted: Dawn, what about you?

>> When you have big government, big tech and media colluding together to bury a story about hundredhunter Biden that was true and 11,600 federal-only voters that don't provide I.D.

and ballot harvesting proven and those have to be investigated first.

You have to look at those before you sign and I have a hard time thinking I could have had the confidence in that.

This is the problem, that is such a huge percentage of our Arizona electorate that doesn't have confidence in the Arizona system and we need that for every eligible voter regarding of the affiliation and that their vote count.

>> One clarification.

I would have signed as a witness with the information that we all had at the time that signature was required.

>> Ted: Andy, what would you have done and did the attorney general do the right thing in offering that signature?

>> You know what you have to do as a judge, what you have to do as an attorney general, you have to go on what the facts are and you don't go on what you feel or think.

You have to have the facts.

What I tell people is, when you talk about the 2020 election, it's not what I think or feel but what I can prove in court.

What was the information the AG had at the time?

I don't know he had any of The information we have now.

I think you might have been able to get an injunction to hold up the certification process.

I think you could have expedited the process and to answer your question in this fashion.

If you are able to get the information, sufficient information, not just reading the information, not an an antidotal stories that there were substantial questions, I wouldn't have signed.

Ted there >> Ted: There are no arrests or charges, and the thought was a problem and concerns and Abe, I'll go to you.

This is the preliminary report, no perp walks why do you think there is in.

>> There should be and probably 300 after you seen the documentary of 200 mules.

What you saw was criminal behavior and this is brought forth prior to the election.

There's an excuse one election attorney at the office and only a few investigators.

I'm an Army guy, you shift resources around the office as needed.

Six months prior to election, you could boost up the attorney's and same with investigator.

There needing to beses to be a rest.

Right or wrong, we spread democracy and we've seen images in Iraq and how proud they are to vote and we have zero confidence.

>> Ted: Why have there been no arrests?

>> Because mark Brnovich is not doing his job.

He's there to represent the people and protect us from the government and he's not doing that.

>> Ted: Why do you think he's not doing that?

>> In fairness, and Andy's response about how you have to wait for the fact to look at them, the attorney general is not an umpire calling balls and strikes.

You haven't been in practice for a couple of decades.

>> Don't wait for the facts, Andy.

>> They don't present you with the facts.

As an attorney general, you find the facts.

You don't wait for them to be presented.

The largest investigative unit in the state, they need to be outing to theirout doing their job.

>> You have to wait for the facts.

>> When we look at the impeachment on President Trump, they based it on the dossier.

People went to prison.

When the justice system disregards the facts and pushes a Partisan agenda like you seem to be wanting to do, people get hurt and people get disengaged in the justice process and you have to have the facts first.

I agree with something Abe said.

It should have been prioritized more and your military experience is excellent in that regard and I will criticize general Brnovich, if he has one, why didn't he have 50?

>> Someone calls with a complaint, the attorney general, they'rer your client and you have to investigate.

>> Ted: Maricopa investigates by way of audit.

>> The whole reason the legislature got in the kerfuffle, who by statute is involved of investigation fraud, it's the Democrat attorney general prior to mark Brnovich.

>> Ted: Are you OK with that?

>> I'm not OK.

It's the attorney general's job to investigate and prosecute election fraud before he witnesses and certifies and he didn't do with that.

>> Ted: OK. Tiffany, we'll go with you on this.

I'm hearing some criticism of the current attorney general.

First of all, what kind of job do you think he's doing and how would you change?

>> Not running against mark Brnovich, but one of the things, several things I would change and number one, being a lot more aggressive on election integrity, being a lot more aggressive on the border, smuggle, trafficking, et cetera and making sure I represent all 15 counties and 22 tribes in the state of Arizona.

When we talk about election integrity, we're talking about Maricopa county and what about the other 14 counties that have problems?

And so, you know, things like that, vaccine mandates.

I would have said to people in Arizona, do not comply with an unconstitutional presidential order.

We'll go to court and fight it, but in the meantime, we'll do the Cochran doctrine of nullification and I will file injunctions.

Being a lot more aggressive, enforcing laws that affect people.

I mean, the basis of our republic is election integrity.

We can't live in a state that's not safe from borders and constitutional rights.

>> Ted: I want to get Lacey involved.

The current attorney general, his job performance, what do you think and what would you improve?

>> Well, there's some things that mark Brnovich did well, set up the unit fighting back against federal overreach and I thought that was fantastic and selected some wonderful solicitor generals that are leading our state in civil litigation and filed some great lawsuits.

I don't know that he has been consistently as strong on border security as I would want somebody who has a strong security background.

>> Ted: Andy.

>> Tiffany is right, a lot of other rural counties out there and Abe, you talked about the movie 2000 mules and one of the big investigations in Yuma.

And there's other counties out there and other issues of election integrity.

There's been three indictments of Yuma and two for ballot harvesting and another indictment.

Some people have pled guilty and one plea.

>> Ted: Some would suggest, three, four, nine, however many is not a definition of wide-spread fraud.

>> We have to rely on a documentary law maker to seek justice.

This is the attorney general's office and we have the top lawyers in the state.

What we saw in the documentary was horrifying.

This is not just these little instances and the whole system is corrupt.

We talk about Pima county and Maricopa county not complying and the AG's office has to be there and fighting.

Talking about Brnovich, I think Brnovich in the first six years did a good job and the last two years from the Covid time to election, give him a two or three.

I think right now, we need a different tone and courage.

That's what I'm desperate for, courage in our leadership.

>> We need a republican fighter.

We look no further than New York where you see the game than the Democrats.

Let them come here illegally and let them vote in the election.

This is why it's illegal immigration and we need a Partisan and pass Arizona immigration laws.

>> Ted: This is actually -- >> Let me jump in, Rodney, if you try to pass or state immigration law, you will lose at the Supreme Court.

We tried that ten years ago with senate bill 1070.

There's a case and I invite you to read it, Arizona versus United States that states do not have the authority to enforce immigration law.

That's a bad idea out of the gate.

>> I don't like that argument because, quite frankly, we're getting rid of Roe v. Wade and that was for 49 years and that was a precedent and another law and I think there are ways to be creative and challenge the stay with us quostatusquo.

You will go in and the attorney general Brnovich classified what's going down on the border as an invasion and use state war powerrerspowers and we need a good governor.

Every level in this election matters and school boardmatters.

This will determine our country's future for the next century.

>> Ted: Dawn, I want you to get in on this.

>> It's important to guard our border, our safety and when you see Tucson having the highest murder rate ever, there's more the attorney general can do to guard that border and guard our safety.

I think mark Brnovich has done good things and the federalism unit, as you mentioned and taking the harvesting case up to the U.S. Supreme Court and defending that.

Arizona has the right to say no ballot harvesting here.

HeHe intervened and good things he's done and more to be done and I have been advocating since the first debate that we declare an invasion under our U.S. constitutional rights, article one, section 10, article 4, section 4, we can guard the border ourselves and do not have to wait for the Federal Government, but expedite and get people deported and keep Arizona safe.

>> Ted, I do agree with what Abe has said and we need new solutions.

We can agree to disagree about the level of precedent, the difference of immigration in the constitution, article 1, section 8, but we need new solutions.

The problem in the state and this is where I would criticize general Brnovich, because he's only focused on lawsuits against the Federal Government to get the Federal Government to do its job.

I've been a judge many years and injunctions to get somebody to act are hard when they have any amount of discretion.

So we need a new idea and my idea is to use state law, state law enforcement, state prosecutors and to create a no trespassing zone on state and private land.

We can arrest when cartels and Caravans step on, seize the drugs, seize the guns and we've never did that before and never had that capability.

We'll prosecute for the drug trafficking.

When we go to the immigrants, we deal with them in a different fashion.

>> The state legislature needs to pass a law that our local law enforcement can arrest, incarcerate and deport.

As attorney general, I will defend that and enforce that and I say that as the only republican running with boots on the ground, law enforcement endosments from Prescott and Flagstaff and lieutenants and they stand with me because they want a fighter to do the job.

>> Ted: Tiffany, please.

>> I'm the only large land owner in the race and own over 1200 acres and week in a smuggling route.

In order for criminal trespass, the ones on the books to work, I have to post a sign every 75 feet and rather thans rather ranchers that I toe, know, it's an $80,000 ranch to post no trespassing and I have filed criminal trespass against people coming onto my land.

What that requires, it has to be the land other than.

landowner.

I have to meet with the sheriff's deputy and I have to go through the entire court system process taking a huge amount of time.

Up that by the amount of invasion of illegals coming over and as a land owner, that is all you would do with your time is deal with criminal trespass and it's only a misdemeanor.

We have to go for human smuggling, calling them terrorists and the constitution.

We have to right to stop an invasion.

>> Can I have a chance?

>> Ted: Please.

>> I'm not sure the cartels care much about a no trespassing sign.

You put them up, they take them down and shoot at them.

They disregard all of our law.

Our borderer border is a law zone.

No trespass sag trespassing is a law free zone.

We got the endorsement of trump's national security advice advicer and we can't rely on the Federal Government.

We have to take matters in our own hands and that's what I will do as attorney general.

>> I can see my plan is not popular here, but let me explain.

The signs are a minor part of the plan.

The focus of it and they're doing this, pinch points.

The police stage and they monitor those pinch points and see everything across and the technology is incredible.

The no trespassing signs are simply to give you the ability to harass for trespass and that's not the only crime.

There's a case called Shamell versus Arizona and you can prosecute for the crimes.

As for the crimes on private property, that's a felony and the possession of an instrument is class four felony and impersonation of another is a classics.

In addition to that, when you associate with a criminal street gang and cartels are criminal street gangs and commit any felony and street gang, you can be prosecuted.

Anyone who walks across and steps on that no trespassing zone can be prosecuted.

>> Ted: Lacey, please, what do you make of all of this?

>> I was the border security chief, I know what it's like to prosecute somebody coming across the border illegally and I respectfully disagree with the no tresspass be plan for no reasons that I won't get into here.

I other thing I disagree with Andy about, the inability to get the Federal Government to do their job.

We're having successes around the United States with attorneys general fighting back asking the Supreme Court to make determinations about whether the Federal Government actually has do their job or not.

For instance, route right now, considering whether the Federal Government has to detain migrants, which is what the law requires and the Federal Government says, well, we don't have enough beds justice Cavanagh says our job is to interpret the law and we're having successes and could be in a situation where the Supreme Court would make decisions that would have a huge impact on what's going on at border.

>> Ted: As a attorney general, that would be a top priority with you?

>> My name one priority.

>> May I respond?

>> Ted: Quickly, please.

>> I'm popular among my colleagues here.

>> The most unpopular part is that you don't think the state should pass immigration laws.

>> Ted: Let's hear the plan.

>> Thank you.

[ Laughter ] >> You know, the Federal Government has been sued and marchburn match has beenBrnovich has been suing for two years and hasn't worked and during the oral arguments in Mexico, the justices seem to be inclined not to uphold the remain-in-mexico policy.

>> Ted: I have to move on because a major impact of the attorney general's office is fighting consumer fraud and protecting consumers from fraud.

Lacey, I'll start with you, what consumer fraud priorities would you bring to the office?

>> You know, the consumer fraud section is actually an important role that the AG plays, especially for the little guy who gets defrauded out of a small sum of money and doesn't sue to get it back.

It's the place that somebody can go to get relief or go and find out that no fraud didn't happen.

But you know what peace of mind if somebody is willing to listen to what happened to you and tell you whether a crime actually happened or not, a fraud actually happened.

It's not the consumer fraud division but the exploitation of the ederly, sufficiently right's division and these are hubs where the little guy can go and make a complaint known and find out if they can get relief and then they have the big guy to few on their behalf.

>> Ted: The current attorney general has done quite a bit as far as consumer fraud.

You think he's done a good job?

>> I do.

>> Ted: Dawn, consumer fraud priorities?

>> It's the enforcement of the consumer fraud laws and enforcing the environmental laws and contracts and leases and the boards and commissions and making sure they stay within their powers and defending the Arizona's laws in court and so many other things that are important to that job and I feel I have the experience in those other arenas as a manufacturing attorney, that I've done on a regular basis.

So businesses don't get a free pass.

if.If they're harming people, they need to be held accountable.

There are bad actors.

You don't need to say businesses are making a profit and we can't allow that.

This is part of freed enterprise and we have to guard free enterprise.

It's in the computer hacking.

People are having monies out of banks and let follow the money to take down computer networking groups and make sure they stop harming people.

>> Ted: Rodney consumer fraud priorities?

>> As a major in the airforce, a jag reservist on the active duty side, I have witnessed and seen veterans come in and seniors come in with their concerns about the consumer fraud issues because there are a number of retirement communities, whether green valley in southern Arizona or sun city, where these fraud fraudsters will drive around and say there's something wrong knowing that senior won't climb up on the roof.

That's how they're taking advantage and we're at the precipice by Joe Biden and the Democrats.

We'll need an attorney general focused on consumers and working with law enforcement.

We have to make sure that all of the local law enforcement agencies aren't defunded but staffed so they can work with the AG's office to make sure the neighborhoods are safe so fraudsters can't take advantage of seniors.

>> Ted: Are they not working with the seniors route route right now?

>> This means one judge can change their mind and goes away that allows officers to make split-second decisions without worrying about theirs.

We're in the city of phoenix and trying to defund the police.

In fewson, Tucson, trying to fire them.

>> Ted: Tiffany, consumer fraud ideas.

>> Our law enforcement is underfunded in the state of Arizona and consumer fraud not baggagebeing a violent crime, it takes a back seat.

From the attorney general's perspective, we want to protect seniors and we also want to make sure that small businesses aren't falling into it accidentally and not every plaintiff is coming to because it was fraud.

>> Ted: Did you think that's happen.

>> ing?

>> I do.

The consumer protection act is gray and not well laid out and having a manual at the attorney general's office, so small businesses can go and say, would this fall into the fraud or not and it helps the law-abiding businesses not accidentally violate the consumer protection act and makes it easier for the AG to prosecute those who are committing fraud because there's a bright line.

>> Ted: Abe, consumer protection and fraud, what do you have in mind?

>> I'll answer directly.

The consumer protection at the AG is one of the best in the country.

They went after Volkswagon and if you look at it, we're not fighting big government anymore.

When you have big tech involved in so much of our lives, the go-fund-me and if you donated to the Canadian truckers, we potentially docked tor go-fund-me funded radical leftist and who stopped it?

State AG's and that's where the consumer fraud protection is so important and it's also there to protect senior citizens and veterans.

>> Ted: So much of this office, Andy, consumer protection against consumer fraud and what ideas have you got?

>> It's funny because it affects everybody.

My mother before she passed away was getting phone calls for a week from someone who got ahold of her number who said her grandson Georgia was in Mexico and needed money and she believed it.

This type of thing happens all of the time.

The regulations right now are based on 1990 and you pick up the newspaper and you look and it was printed type advertisements and people guy cars now on the Internet and they're out of sync with the advertising that's done and I've talked to some about it and we need to do that.

That's a good place to start and scams with APS.

>> Ted: Close to closing statements here and we'll have to do this relatively quickly and probably 20 seconds top for every answer, but Tiffany, we'll start with you.

This is a republican primary and you're all republicans, oddly enough.

[ Laughter ] >> Ted: Why should republican voters in the primary chose choose you as opposed to everyone else on the voter?

>> I have skin in the game.

Parental rights, living that everyday, a second amendment shotgun instructor and that would be a huge hit to my life and just life experience, whether I'm attorney general or not.

>> Ted: Abe, why you and not the other folks?

>> I think our country is going to hell and I have skin in the game, as well.

I'm afraid we're losing our country so quickly and I'm stepping up and we need new blood and new generation and ideas and come in and shake the hell out of the establishment.

What's going this is so insidious and you need fighters and I don't back down.

>> Ted: Dawn, differentiate, knowing everything thinks themselves as a fighter and conservative and why you?

>> I am a made-in-america manufacturing champion, a constitutional conservative and studied under justice Scalia civilhimself and I'll make sure people in Arizona are protected and everyone would do better than Chris Maze.

>> Ted: Andy.

>> Experience.

I've been a lawyer 31 years, hundreds of jury trials and involved in the most complex cases you can imagine.

When you have a serious surgery, you need someone to fix the problem.

>> Ted: Rodney, why you?

>> You don't want surgery was 30 years ago, but for me, I'm the.

Ownonly one of six that ran an office.

I am the acting staff judge advocate and number two, I can name for you my last three paying clients, people hired me to be their attorney and the only one that cared about keeping Joe Biden out of the White House to write a check to Donald Trump.

>> Ted: You got your points in.

Why you and not them?

>> Well, I have the border security expertise and the border security experience and that's what distinguishes me from the rest on the stage and three times the prosecution experience of anybody else on this stage.

>> Ted: What do you say we do closing statements and in reverse, we start with Tiffany.

>> Well, I would like to close by saying this office just isn't about prosecution but the office that deals with environment and the office that deals with every state agency and the only person in stated or Federal Government with a water law background and that's important with the green new deal.

And again, I have skin in the game.

I have been fighting on the border for 18 years and not fighting in a courtroom necessarily, but literally having to face down cartel.

I have put my money where my mouth is on a school board and home schooling our children for 20 years and I have helped businesses grow and I've built businesses and I everyday will make sure to protect the constitutional rights of all people in Arizona.

>> Ted: Thank you.

And now the closing statement from Abe.

>> I think what we're missing in society is accountability and you know, I think what we're seeing in the border is nothing is done and no consequences for actions.

I haven't sat behind a desk my whole career and I've been overseaing and deployed and missiles coming in and you need to make quick decisions you need an attorney general who has that ability and bold and who has the strength and the courage to stand up to the establishment and the powerful interests.

I'm not beholden to anything except the constitution of the United States in Arizona.

When I'm attorney general, what I intend to do is restore law and order and bring back confidence in our justice system.

>> Ted: Our next closing statement from Dawn Grove.

>> The only candidate in this race with endorsements from current attorneys generals doing the job like Ken Paxton in Texas from the Biden Administration and they want me to join in that fight.

I've been endorsed by Congresswoman Lesco and others who know I'm tenacious to secure or borders and guard Arizona's constitutional rights and defend from the overreach and family's free enterprise.

I'm the only person here who comes from the private sector and everyone else has worked in government all their lives or has run for office many times.

And the Federal Government is fighting us on the border, our economy, elections and I'm here to fight back and serve you.

>> Ted: Thank you very much and next we turn to Rodney glassman pup.

>> Thank you, Ted.

I'm an airforce prosecutor, protected victims of sexual assault and I'm a private attorney in town and I do business law and high stake's litigation and running for attorney general because I know the job of the attorney general is to protect you and your families and my family from the government.

I will serve as your attorney general, serve you as your attorney general as a conservative republican fighter which is what we need at this time when Joe Biden and Democrats across the country are mill tirizing or weaponnizing these offices and destroying our way of life.

I look forward to earning your vote.

Thank you.

It's time to hear from Lacey Cooper.

>> The legal and military background from the other people on this stage is quite impressive but border security is the number one issue facing our state today and that's were why I'm the candidate that state needs in 2022.

I was the border security chief under the Trump Administration when we were stopping what was going on at the southern border and prosecuted the drug traffickers and human traffickers through Tiffany's land and have three times the prosecution experience and a private experience, as well, advising churches nonprofits and so, I am the candidate with the relevant recent experience that the state of Arizona needs today.

I'm Lacey Cooper and I appreciate your vote.

>> Ted: Thank you, and we wrap up with an drew Andrew Gould.

>> I've been a republican all my life and I've been a conservative since I was born.

My dad campaigned for for Barrygoldwalter.

I agree with Lacey.

We need something different and soon, the Federal Government has gotten us nowhere and we need a no trespassing, state law with state prosecutors and we use our power to protect our citizens on The border and we have to dooringdoeverything we can.

It will work and it's what they want and go to my website, Goul and please read it.

>> Ted: Thank you to all candidates and that is it for tonight's debate and the next is Monday Arizona as horizon hosts Arizona's sixth congressional significant and go to AZPS.org or watch them all.

That is for now and thank you so much for joining us and you have a great evening.

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