>> Welcome to this special election 2022 edition of Arizona horizon.

Tonight, we feature a debate between republic candidates for district 6 between Arizona PBS and republican AZcentral.com and joining me to moderate is Mary Jo.

>> This is an open exchange of ideas and a give and take between candidates to represent Arizona in Congress and as such interruptions are allowed.

PoutWe'll do our best to see this happens.

>> Joining us now for tonight's debate, we have our candidates.

And we should note one other declined and we begin with Kathleen Wynne.

>> I'm running for Congress in the Arizona congressional district six.

The American that we're living this is not the America we grew up in.

We have record high inflation, our borders are wide open and parents are told that they are not allowed in their children's classrooms and this is not our country and this is not the place that we want to raise our children.

I want to fight back for Americans and I want to give the seat back to the people.

We need representation and the seat is meant to be followed by and used by us using the constitution and following the rule of law.

Our borders, there are many people dying everyday and the Fentanyl could kill every man, woman and child seven times over.

The Biden Administration has done everything to disrupt and destroy our way of life.

As a mother of seven and grandmother of 14 grandchildren, this is not the America I want my children to grow up.

>> We have to stop you right there and your minute is up.

>> Thank you.

>> Now we turn to Brandon Martin.

>> I'm Brandon Martin and I'm running for Congress and the district 6 and as the 2022 G.O.P in Southeastern corner,.

I have 170,000 votes and I was arena Army interrogator.

I know this race and the people and issues and I am the most qualified candidate to represent you in the United States Congress.

I want to work on the border, securing it, finish building the wall and go further to survey and discourage any illegal actions to include crossings and human trafficking.

We have many things to address, though.

Rising inflation and an economy ruined in a year and a half.

After seeing the greatest economy that the world has ever known, we are looking to protect you.

I am the Maga-candidate in this race.

As Joe Biden would say, I'm an ultra-mag candidate.

>> Good evening.

I'm young mayberry and running for this U.S. house seat in district 6 and served 28 years in the United States airforce standing in the gap against socialism and communism and now we watched this horror as the Biden Administration left American citizens and $84 billion of American equipment behind in Afghanistan and we also see top U.S. officials openly embrace Mar xist idioloys.

I havegies.I believe to secure or borders and limited government and the right to keep and bear arms.

I am the only candidate who has both national and international experience to best represent us.

>> And finally, we turn to Lacrisha free for her statement.

I built the bill voice for the community newspaper in Southeast Pima county and founded the Southeast regional council where citizens gather with leaders and elected officials to work on hot spot issues of concern to them to get results.

I was the chair of the Pima county transportation advisory committee and the chair of the small business commission and I also served proudly with supervisor Steve Christie and I have his endorsement for this office.

Voters want someone who knows how to get stuff done and they're frustrated at high prices, the high cost of food and fuel and also angered and frustrated at the state of our border.

People in Arizona need someone to hit the ground running and that person is me.

>> Candidates, thank you, and Kathleen, we'll start with you, the needs of residents in this district, what are they?

>> Well, the border is the most crucial need we have right now and in district is on the border between Arizona and Mexico.

And we have the cartels are running our border.

So we need to secure the border, but beyond that, we need to identify who is in our country and in reverse, the many atrocities of this administration that has caused.

Also, we have a water issue and the shortage of water, the central Arizona project is out of -- will not be existing in eight years and we have to deal with the water and the other thing that we have is ongoing needs with law enforcement, military, education.

There's many needs in our district that mirror it.

But the border is with Fentanyl and drugs and human trafficking the most dangerous.

>> Brandon, what are the needs of this district?

>> As your Congressman, it's any job to protect your life, liberty and country we have, we have to protect our freedoms.

The reality is ground zero, to make sure families can grow up in the neighborhoods they deserve.

We have a great retirement community in southern Arizona and people on fixed incomes are hit hard by the Biden economy and what his administration is doing to kill small business and energy independence.

>> Quickly, water issues, a concern to you?

>> Water issues are mainly handled by the state and the state responsibility.

We have water issues and that should be left to the legislature at home to decide those issues.

>> Issues, this district, what do you see?

>> I mentioned in my opening statement that we have an invasion at our southern border and that is indeed the case.

We have an invasion of illegal people and the most detrimental to our society are the drug mean are comes across and the human trafficking and that is just an atrocity.

To me, I think the derelict of duty on the part of the Biden Administration to allow this kind of thing to go on in my border and in my case, I live an hour and a half away from the border and I live on the San Pedro river and we see evidences of illegal trafficking.

I recognize that we have a water issue.

I'm a farm.

And we have had difficulties with getting the water that we need to produce the crops that we want to produce.

Also, as a result of the Biden Administration's in eptitude, shutting off the XL pipeline, just boom.

I Drive down the road and see $4.19 or $4.22 and $4.22.

>> WhenPeople are frustrated with high cost of food and fuel and inflation is destroying people that are on fixed incomes and concerned about our border and what's happening there.

I'm not an anti-immigration candidate.

When you go to the grocery store, things don't look the same and look different than they used to.

The shelves may be empty.

One row of shelves is there one week and the next, they're not there.

I spoke with folks on fixed incomes telling me, they can't put gas in their car to get to the grocery store and this has reached epic proportions and the way Biden has destroyed our economy.

>> All of you mentioned inflation and I'm curious from each of you, what can Congress do bringing down inflation and bringing prices, perhaps, back in line to what they may have been a year ago.

>> Congress can stop printing money and over 40% of the dollars have been printed in the last two years.

The Biden Administration is spending money at record levels and right now, the U.S. Congress has proposed sending $53 billion of aid to Ukraine when we have anan invasion and it will not own serve our senior citizens and children and grandchildren.

>> Also, we have record high gas prices.

When you decide between fuel or food, that's a difficult choice to make and we were energy independent under the Trump Administration and so just in a matter of 15 months, we now have high, high prices for our fuel and the other thing that is happening in our country is that the people are having to make choices like baby food.

We don't have enough formula for our children.

>> We have a conflict in Ukraine that didn't exist last year that has comly complicated the fuel supply.

>> We said we wouldn't get involved.

We need to secure our own country.

We had over 160 different countries present themselves through the border.

We have ongoing human trafficking, drug trafficking.

>> Are you against U.S. support for Ukraine?

>> I am not in favor of the amount of money and resources that we're sending to Ukraine.

We can support them, but there's no accountability for the money that's being sent.

We don't know where it's going or how it's being used and I have an issue with that.

>> Let me comment that as a military planner, a military officer.

I did a lot of planning and that type of stuff with regard to invasions and those types of things.

I think it's critically important that we support the effort to stop the invasion of Russia on the Ukraine.

We can't simply not do that.

as a world community.

But that doesn't mean we can't not walk and chew gum.

In my tenure as a military officer, we were prepared to fight two and a half wars.

The Soviet Union, Russia was all over the world.

So I think and I think that I as a Congressman can promote the notion that we can help the Ukraine and there's also a concept of -- we use the elements of national power.

It's not just military.

There's an acronym, that needs to be sanctions to help sop stop that.

>> We need to stop.

>> I think it's important that we're this Ukraine.

That's an important move, but getting back to your inflation question.

This didn't happen randomly.

Remember in the early part of buyen'sBiden Administration's, there were the childcare credits, the deaddebt forgiveness and all of that contributed expect republican strategists and warning of populationinflation and he was saying it's transitory and now he's focusing on inflation and this is hurting American.

You can't go to the grocery store without putting gas in your car and it's something that affects people everyday and it's front-facing everyday.

>> Should those relief packages happened?

>> I don't think they were necessary.

Remember, he wanted to do the build-back-better.

Imagine if that would have gone into an overbaked economy.

>> You see it in your restaurants and businesses we have all of these job openings and incentivize people to stay hopehome and this is destroying how our country works and removing jobs from America and sending them back overseas.

We had a very low unemployment rate and now they're taking credit for jobs as people go back to work.

>> I have a newspaper and so, I have small business and mid-size businesses that advertise and they're advertising for people to work in the student restaurant or pub and they can't get people.

Apparently at the beginning, there were winners and losers and the winners were not small businesses.

We've seen a favorite restaurant or something blighted by the effects of having to be out of business and no small business owner has a model that says you can be chosed for a period of time or has a model that says, we'll be at 50% capacity.

So these things have destroyed us small businesses and I'm supportive.

>> You lament those policies in what you say those contributed to inflation and Kathleen, you said those, as well.

Brandon said the country can stop printing money and what would you do to stop this inflation that you described?

>> With inflation, it's cumulative and just didn't start today and Kay talk can't talk about a solution today.

I would not be voting for large deposit programs.

I shudder what would have happened if build-back-better would have happened.

>> Brandon, how would you have handled the situation when the country was in a pandemic?

People were afraid to afraid and some businesses needed assistance and some landlords needed assistance and a lot of people needed assistance and money was printed for that purpose.

Was all of that wrong?

>> All of that was wrong.

We should not have shut down businesses and the greatest economy the world has ever seen.

We had a responsibility to keep government out of it and none of those measures had a real effect on the total who contracted Covid.

We see that only -- all it did was push it further back.

Businesses shut down that will never reopen and PPE money that made richest Americans take advantage of the programs and I don't begrudge for anyone taking advantage of government programs but at the same time, the poor got poorer and the rich got richer.

My time as a military intelligence, I've seen what this done and we cannot save the world by weakening America.

>> Brandon, did the efforts of the United States' government to mitigate Covid, did they fail?

>> They did fail.

>> They did, so Covid would have been better if the government had not addressed the issue?

>> We can see that the measures taken compared to other countries only pushed that back.

We have record numbers of deaths.

We had families not able to see loved ones dying and we should have kept the economy going and should have pushed through that and reached herd immunity and after the masking of children, the government then said we're reaching herd immunity and we should have put this passed us.

>> I wanted to -- first, because I wanted to comment on inflation.

When Biden came in, the executive order killed the XL pipeline and also his policies are we can't do drilling at new places in the country.

Those two things reduced the supply of fuel in our country.

If the supply is low, demand is high and prices go up and that's just gas.

Just gas, we say.

But if the gas is high, costs more from trappings for transportation.

People are on fixed incomes or the lower income people are the most ill effected by those kinds of ridiculous policies.

In some circles, they say that they're trying to force this green energy type stuff, when as Kathleen mentioned before, in two years ago, 2022, we were an energy independent country.

Now we go around and try to get it from our enemies.

>> We have to reduce reliance on foreign entitiesWe need to be asself-sufficient as we can and I understand we live in a global world and I think it's important we have relationships with other countries and we're seeing how serious this is and we see it with semiconvicters with overreliance on China and what happens if we're relying on them for goods.

>> We gave the Taliban thousands in equipment and sent them money and now we have a well armed enemy and we should not be sending dollars recklessly to Ukraine and we need to secure our border and take care of the American people.

>> I believe we had congressional leaders over in Ukraine pledging support and more aid.

Are they going in the wrong direction?

>> Those congressional leaders are over there for a dog and pony show, taking pictures as if they care.

Kamala Harris has not been to our border, the Democrats do not care.

>> What about the republicans?

>> I see no difference.

If you're talking about protecting Ukrainian borders and they had 190 190 troops.

We had 220,000 illegal invasions of our border, I think you're there for photo-ops.

>> Can you equate them looking for asylum?

>> Before Russia and Ukraine, we had them at our border and 160 different countries coming to our border and everywhere uses our border as a photo-op, but very little is done to stop the flow.

The Federal Government is telling people that border patrol, homeland security to let people in.

I flew back to Washington, D.C. recently and I was on a plane full of people, no one spoke any English.

We got to baggage claim and I was one of four getting bags.

We are flying people all over the country and we are not taking care of our own people and we don't know who's in this country.

>> The board in CD6 is in a rural area and so there aren't women and children coming over seeking asylum in our district.

I had the pleasure of visiting the border with sheriff Danels and his team and they showed me and you can see where the look-out points and everything we're doing on the other side of the wall and you can see where they're painting the water bottling black and so they can come in ser rip sir subpoena and they're walking in single file and they have on camouflage and backpack filled with who knows what.

Different border areas are characterized in different ways and no question that in this border, seeing the supplies of the wall just laying there, falling into disrepair which reminds me of walking away from equipment that has value and leaving it there.

>> Kathleen, you said we need to know who is in this country and what are you talking about and how would you propose of determining that?

>> Only 10% of people that come back a year or two years come back and 90% of people, we don't know where they are and where they've gone.

We've seen a 75% increase in crime in our country and yet a 25%% in prosecutions more crime in our country, violent crime that's happening in our state and not just in our district but we are the gateway.

If we don't secure the border and our country, there are all kinds of things happening outside.

In Scottsdale, they just seized, I think -- I don't even though, 200,000 pills of Fentanyl.

So you have to be able to know who's in the country and we don't know that.

We don't know who's here.

>> How do you do that?

>> We had have a system where people are supposed to receive hearings within a certain amount of time and not one or two years.

It can be seven to ten years and keeps track of where they are.

>> I think President Trump had a solution to that very problem.

That is to say they remain in Mexico concept, not to let them run free in our country.

On the border issues, like I said before, the United States has the ability to walk and chew gum at the same time, right?

We definitely need to deal with the border, which is in our district right here and cannot allow the human trafficking, the drug trafficking and at the same time, we can't have a repeat of history.

1938, 1939, hit electric Hitler invaded Poland and Austria.

All Russia has to do is run over Ukraine and then look to the east and it's only 50 miles across the strait to Alaska which is the United States of America.

The point is, the bully -- again, I have dealt with the Soviet union and Putin is a soviet in Russian cloths you cannot let him get away with what she's doing.

>> Brandon, that doesn't say what you're saying.

>> My time in ask fighting counterinsurgency.

People have been capture on our southern border and the Biden Administration is encouraging illegals to cross in droves and getting rid of title 42 and giving $450,000 of money of separated families and turning on a big neon welcome sign that says come to America.

>> Why is the welcome sign on and why are they encouraging people to cross illegally?

Why?

>> Because the Biden Administration is working on the next voting block of democratic voters.

These people, for one, the states control the elections two, every kid born to an illegal that crossed into this country will gain citizenship and be a loyal democratic voter.

>> Sounds like replacement theory.

You go along with that idea.

>> Do you go along with that?

>> Right now the Democrats are putting illegals into this country and encouraging them and flying them all over the country and busing them all over the country and making our streets less safe.

>> Is that replacement theory?

>> I'm telling you -- >> You're not saying it's not.

>> One of the reasons -- >> You Dee believe this is >> The Democrats and progressives are trying to change the dem graph demographics.

>> Absolutely.

>> I wanted to say it's think it's important to identify folks that want to come into our country, not just to identify those that are bad actors, which we need to do that, but to identify those that want to grab ahomed of the American groom dream and identify them and, unfortunately, they get lumped in with those that have nefarious intentions for us and anyways notthat's not a good thing.

>> You agree that Democrats and progressives, whatever they are, they have a plan to replace people in America right now with those who are undocumented and those who are quote, unquote, not us?

>> That is partially it.

What I see is a person who has been involved in counterin counterinsurgency training and I've seen Venezuela from a jewel to a bad situation.

And what it is, it's marxism and communism and one of the ways is to bring in these people.

The way I see the border situation in Arizona, as a farmer, I see it through those lenses.

It's the tail of the two farm.

We have a green farmer or a farmer who is producing green materials and he has corn up to the waist and the other is barren.

A few years passed, he sees cows in his corn and looks down the fence line and gates are open.

What's the first thing to do?

Chose the dang gate.

The Biden Administration can't figure that out?

But we have other things to help that adjacent farmer learn to plant his own stuff and need to destroy the cartel.

>> OK, let me say -- >> I feel like I need to say this and concerned about the talk about replacement theory.

We saw the intention of the person who was just involved in the shooting in buffalo and I think it's dangerous for us to be talking about that.

This is racist activity and called out as such.

What happened in buffalo, if the allegations were true and the purest example of racism and I would invite everyone.

>> You're invited to disallow it but do you believe there's a concerted effort to right place the people who live here now with those who would otherwise be more amenable to democratic and progressive ideas.

>> I believe there's a concerted effort to destabilize our country and we have doubled the amount of missing children in our state in the last -- so we went from 800 to 1600 missing kids and we have more crime than we've ever had and you've demoralized our police.

They're reducing our military by 30% and all of these things working together and bringing in all of these people, are they there to replace other people?

No, but we're trying to destabilize our country.

Who benefits from a weakened America.

I think it's China and Russia and that's who's benefiting from that.

>> Yes, our enemies benefit and Kathleen well named them, Russia and China.

>> But why would that be in the interest of our country's leaders to allow that to happen?

>> Because they're being paid off.

You have to understand with the work on do on trafficking, the Chinese are helping fund the Mexican cartels and that money goes back to China.

We have allowed Chinese to have property and rights and everything in our country and they are buying up the world.

>> And that's what we've got to quit.

We cannot continue that going on because they are -- they claim to be Americans, Biden and the administration and do things that are detrimental to our country.

It's to get the media media and local people that are detrimental to our country.

>> It's common to have disagreements on policy and still want to be a part of our country.

>> Why would the Biden Administration, Democrats, whomever they are, to destabilize the country?

>> As a military intelligence instructor for ten years as a substitute teacher in air Massachusetts, middle school and high school, theory is something you don't know if it's true.

It's a theory.

I know for a fact that Democrats are encouraging illegals to cross our bolder, they do it with the rhetoric and their actions and nonactions.

I can tell you is because Democrats do not have a winning message.

They do not have a winning message for the economy.

We had the greatest economy under President Trump.

It was strong and record lows in unemployment across every demographic and everybody's shifts were raised and we're seeing a destabilization of the economy, record debt, record spending and the reason why is because Democrats do not have a winning message and holding onto whatever power we could grasp.

>> That I can agree, that the Democrats don't have a winning message and Biden's approving ratings even Democrats is lower than it's been.

>> I would like to follow up about the shooting, the motives for the shooting in buffalo.

>> I was born in buffalo, so I took a special interest with this yesterday and the gentlemen gentleman did the shooting hating republicans and Democrats and he was dangerous and evil and he was on the radar so, again, it points to the fact that police knew about this guy and if distract police and they don't have enough resources, some guy like this gets out and there's all of these shootings that are occurring and our police can't do the job they're supposed to be doing.

Unfortunately, in this situation, then everything jumps on the political bandwagon, he was a right winged conservative or this.

What he did yesterday was pure evil and we have to not politicize everything because that's where we lose as a country when we do that.

>> Let me be clear, I didn't say anything about republican or Democratic.

It was racist activist racist activity and it was.

>> I don't recollect cog recognition to anyone who does that.

They're looking for attention and we should immediately stop publicizing what they do and move on with life as we know it, which is a very free country, which is the best country if the world and not divide each other and play these games because every time the news runs a story of someone who kills innocent people, you're encouraging the next one to get their face on the news.

>> And hold them accountable for their behavior, regardless of whatever underlying things.

People need to be held accountable and we can't continue on and I agree with what Brandon is saying.

We can't give them prime time news and that type of thing and expect these copy cat type of things that happen.

>> Brandon, who won the presidency in 2020?

>> President Trump Donald J.

President Trump.

>> Why is he not in office?

>> Robbed of the election.

It was rigged and we know not only ballot harvesting and stuffing and there were many things that went on with the election.

You go to sleep at night and there's a water main break in Georgia and you wake up and the votes have switched and we see that Joe Biden supposedly won with a record number of votes with less counties that previously before.

I do not believe Joe Biden who barely campaigned beat the most popular president in repeat memory.

>> Why do you think the courts can't find the evidence?

>> We know the courts Wend went outside of their jurisdiction not only in Arizona but Pennsylvania and outside of the legislature and laws and extended voter demonstration and registration and times and allowed for 30,000 or more votes go through.

The election was stolen and my opponent in 2020 did not campaign and set an all-time record, more than Gabby Giffords.

>> Christa won't, who won that debate.

>> I can't say every legitimate vote is counted and there is a neighbor who's father died several months ago, a year or so ago and still receiving voter voter ballots for him?

I'm saying they received the ballots and our voter roles continue to be cleaned and there's cross-communication between agencies so that when someone passes away, that's communicated and that person isn't receiving plots.

>> Brandon said Donald Trump won and do you think Donald Trump won?

>> My focus -- >> That's not an answer and what I want to do is focus what I can do.

I can't do anything about what's happened.

My focus is -- President Biden is our president and my focus is going forward.

>> Do you believe President Biden won in 2020?

My gut from the very beginning toad me something was wrong with the election.

As of a week ago, we saw the us 2000 mule's movie and having to do with the mail-in ballots and the way the numbers came out, it is clear in my mind that Donald Trump won that election.

And that's just looking at the ballots.

There may have been and apparently were other things -- I was reluctant.

I was a former inspector general and I think it's important when we talk about the rule of law that we have to take evidence beyond the reasonable doubt.

Before it was prima Facia and now we have clear preponderance of evidence in the 2000 mules and those people need to be prosecuted and it looks like Donald Trump won that election based on that election.

And >> And not a court in the land -- not saying whether the courts -- they won't take it because the evidence isn't there.

I'm not asking if it's right or wrong, but why wouldn't a court, whether it's a conservative Supreme Court, a conservative lower court -- >> Ted, I think you'll see the courts take this and there have been indictments and there was plot traffickingballot trafficking.

So the vote person and you've asked a question, did Donald Trump win the election?

We had over 207,000 votes in this state that we had envelopes for that we really can't discern who they were.

My dead father voted in the last election and he's been gone ten years and three of my children married got ballots in their maiden name.

We were overplotted.

overballotted.

>> How do you know my dead father voted?

>> I checked and my dad didn't vote where they voted now and I went back and checked and his previous address, he voted from?

>> I did.

What we had is, we had the republican -- Brandon part, we had the republicans and Democrats districts, nine of them and the republicans beat the Democrats by 2500 votes.

President Trump got 20,000 and Joe Biden got 30,000 more and Mark Kelly got 30,000 and I assure you that didn't happen.

>> The thing I'm wondering, what does this do to our party.

We want to encourage republicans to vote.

I can't tell you how many people I talked to gathering signatures on my own and they want to vote and encouraged about being able to turn the house red and to be able to take the presidency in 2024.

We need to have republicans who want to vote.

>> The way we get that -- >> To her point, do republicans in this district want go backwardbackward?

>> We need to start from the point of the information that we have right now in the sense -- a week ago, it was, eh, it didn't estimate right andsmell right and empirical evidence from the 2000 mule's movie that the election wasn't what it was purported to be and do we go back?

All ofs on this stage here, or none of us in this here stage today wants to have an election not be secure.

We're going through a lot of effort to do what we're doing and to have the vote be stolen from us like we see in that movie.

>> Voter integrity is very important and important that we turn the house red and that we're in a position to take the presidency back in 2024.

So we need voters, republican voters to vote.

>> If the law has been broken and you can prove it, to your point, you can't go back and turn the clock back, but if we know there's been -- >> You can prosecute people who have broken the law.

>> We have evidence.

You have to follow -- we didn't have this film.

We didn't have the four million minutes of people stuffing ballots.

We now have that.

>> All four of you are on the plotballot and how much do you trust the votes and tabulated on August 2nd?

>> I'm concerned.

We know that the governor was not going to call a special session and did not pass meaningful election integrity bills taking place in this election cycle and my charge to the Arizona voter, if you want your vote to count, we have to get as close to 100% turn-out as possible because we have to make it so the numbers cannot be skewed.

>> Do we have to have the turn-out up in the primary and the general?

>> How can you get those people to turn out when you think the election was stolen?

>> There's no quit in us.

We're Americans and we don't cower in the face of something that seems wrong and juststies justice there must be justice.

>> If people broke the law, they must be prosecuted.

>> We need to tighten up on the drop boxes.

All of us who have seen this, we have an open season to drop off whatever number of ballots and we need to secure them if we have mail-in ballots.

I see, by the way, mail-in ballots from a different perspective than others because I served 28 years in the airforce and never did I vote in-person because I was away from my polling station.

Back home, because that worked for me, I voted with the mail-in plot and I don'tballot.

The bad guys, they exploited our system where we are not vigilant to make sure that the mail-in ballot is taken care of properly.

It was a free-for-all.

>> We do not have evidence that has resulted in any kind of prosecution aside from individual cases -- >> The paint is still wet.

>> The paint has been wet for quite awhile and this film didn't appear magically out of nowhere.

I know how films are made and this information has been out there for months, if not years.

Why wasn't it turned over and what's going on here?

>> When you get into prosecuting people, you have to dot your i's and your dot your t's.

You need solid evidence.

This 2000 mule's movie and, again, yeah, it took awhile to get to the public and now it's out to the public, the public and the prostitute prosecutorial people need to bring this to justice.

>> Kathleen.

>> In the beginning, they brought this to our attorney general and in the primary, we have video of people stuffing ballots and we have this information and they were responded to that said if we do it again in the general election.

We had this earlier on and this came about because they as individuals, they wanted to be prosecuted.

It wasn't.

We can't go back and we have this information and if someone commits a murder and you don't know who murders somebody, and then you find out, you prosecute.

It didn't smell right and now we have this information and now you take the case or you don't.

But it's out there.

>> I wanted to circle back to an earlier topic to immigration to get your take on the dream act and what America should do about children who were born in this country, brought here as children.

>> Let me comment on that.

You know, I clearly am one not in favor of amnesty.

It doesn't work.

We've seen that back when president Reagan in good faith tried to do amnesty to clean the slate.

But it didn't work.

However, I also feel that people, young people who came when they were too small to know what was going on and their parents came, they need to have some type of arrangement made so they can become the citizens that they basically are being here.

And I don't say that should be done across the board either.

I think it need to be done how an individual basis.

In other words, on the basis of merit.

Just because they came across in an illegal situation, does not qualify them.

>> Even if they were an infant?

>> Even those infants grow up to be potentially bad guys, right?

>> As just about any kid that might be born here.

>> I don't see a basis for giving those people a free reign as far as becoming a citizen of the United States.

That's why I say how an individual basis, people who came across with their parents too little to know what was going on if they abided by and they go to school and work, those kinds of things, those kinds of people are worthy of being a modified citizen of our country, much along the lines of anybody who becomes naturalized.

You go through a process and you come across legally and five years before you become a citizen.

I think that's the concept that I have if mind.

>> Get the rest of your thoughts because we're close to wrapping up.

>> If you're close in this country illegally, you should be Septembersent to your country of origin.

And that's until we get control of your borders and make sure Congress does it job.

>> Brandon, if you're here illegally and you're a toddler, does that extend to that group, as well, of young people?

>> If you're here and brought here by your parents or born here, you should -- we should set up a system where you can report that you are not a citizen of the United States and accommodations made for you to September toSeptember tosent to your country of origin in the most respectful possible and people who crossed illegally.

We have to get this under control.

>> CathKathleen, on dreamers?

>> If you were brought here as a baby my daughter was brought here as three and became a citizen five years ago as Mexico and five of my grandchildren are Mexican.

I'm for legal immigration.

This country was founded from people all over the world and right now that's not what we have.

We have our borders oh political obliterated.

We have a lot of criminals in our country with a three thousand percent increase in crime.

We need to know who is in our country and need to take care of those who live here, our citizens.

>> We're a Sovereign nation and we decide who comes in and out.

There isn't a country that doesn't vet people in a country and anyways not something unusual or strange.

Our immigration system is broken and what's going on with dreamers teases out the unintended againsts of what consequences.

I can't imagine we'll send back people who have grown up here back.

We have to address this and figure out solutions by working together and figuring out areas so we can move forward to have a healthy immigration system.

>> Brandon said end all immigration.

>> I'm a business owner and I think about lettuce at this tainted at a factory.

I think we need an assessment of our border system and figure out what's working and what's not working and aspects that aren't working and so much that isn't inin terms needing judges to vet cases.

>> I advocate that we -- on trade, Mexico is a huge, major trade partner with us and to be able to get some of the products that we produce agriculturally, we need legal work permits come across the border or people who use that come across the border.

As far as immigration, I think we need to continue to improve and beef up the legal immigration system.

I don't know necessarily we need to put a moratorium or anything or legal immigration.

I think we simply need to use or legal immigration processes better so that we can have the people that we want.

Who was it that said, we are a Sovereign nation and determine who it is that comes to our country and stays in our country and legal immigration is a way to do that.

>> Kathleen, tenure moratorium on immigration?

>> I don't think that you can do it that way.

I agree we need to figure out who's in the country, but tenure moratorium, but there's things we need people for and if you do that, it's too extreme.

>> Brandon, stand by your point here and argue your point.

>> America is a Sovereign nation to protect life, liberty and property for American citizens.

If you're an American citizen, we protect you and that's our job.

And my time as, I fought counterinsurgency and between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

We must protect our border and let the economy go back to what it was under President Trump.

>> Time now for closing statements and we start with Lakrisha free.

>> Winning this requires a peopled powered movement that says yes, yes to a fresh voice for southern Arizona and yes to someone who has served their community at the grass root's level for 21 years and gotten results and yes to someone who lives here and knows here.

My website is free4congress.com.

Live free, vote free.

>> And now, young mayberry.

>> The day I step into the house of relates, I'm prepared to put an end to the socialist agenda and bring common sense to our taxing programs and ensure we have a secure border and a strong national defense and I will extend for the right to keep and bear arms.

I will stand up for the freedom to worship God according to the dictates of our own conscious, the notion that the family is the primary building block of society and most of us freedom from tierny.

I believe it's important that we secure the bolder but we also walk and chew come at the same time.

It's not just ourselves but other countries in the world and so I believe that I am, indeed, the best candidate to represent us in Washington, D.C. >> And now a closing statement from Brandon Martin.

>> In 2020, I was endorsed by 170,000 of you and thank you so much for your votes.

We have to seek justice for 2020 and I was endorsed by President Trump, the national right to life and the Arizona free enterprise club and I am your candidate to protect your right to life, liberty and property and we will stand up for the second amendment and never in fringe to bear arms and work to remove all unconstitutional laws that prohibit that.

I want to go to Congress for you and make sure we get the corruption out of the swamp and drain D.C. >> Kathleen Wynne.

>> I'm running for this seat because we need a fighter and I have my entire life fought for the vulnerable, people that are oppressed and I've spent the last 12 years helping to find victims of trafficking and providing resources to law enforcement and now we need to protect our country.

I worked in business and a top producerproducer.

There are many things that are not working and Arizona is a great state and I've lived here a long time and had my children here and raising my grandchildren here and we need to win back America.

Arizona needs a win, winforcongress.com.

Thank you.

>> And thank you to all of our candidates tonight and Arizona's next debate is Wednesday when we here from the Democrat candidates and that's right here on Arizona horizon.

>> Watch this again on Arizonapbs.org and you can watch all of Arizona horizon's past programming and you can follow election coverage on AZcentral.com and Arizona republic.

>> And that is it for now.

And thank you so much for joining us and you have a great evening.

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