>> Announcer: DONNYBROOK IS MADE POSSIBLE THROUGH THE GENEROUS SUPPORT OF THE MEMBERS OF KETC.

>> HEY, THANKS FOR JOINING US FOR ANOTHER EDITION OF DONNYBROOK.

GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US AND GREAT TO HAVE THE SUPPORT OF OUR FRIENDS AT THE GATESWORTH WHO MAKE THIS PROGRAM POSSIBLY WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT.

LET'S THANK THOSE ASSEMBLED AROUND THE BIG GREEN TABLE THIS THURSDAY, STARTING WITH THE MEDIA VETERAN HERSELF, WENDY WIESE, AN ALONG WITH ONE OF OUR FOUNDERS, THERE BILL McCLELLAN FROM THE POST-DISPATCH, ANOTHER FOUNDER RAY HARTMANN FROM ST.

LOUIS MAGAZINE AND FROM STLMAG.COM AND ST.

LOUIS AMERICAN AND BEYOND, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, ALVIN REID.

FOLKS, WE'RE KIND OF SAD TONIGHT BECAUSE MICHELLE WHALEY, LONG TIME PRODUCTION DOYEN HERE AT KETC IS LEAVING.

I DON'T THINK FOR GREENER PASTURES.

SHE'S GOING TO WORK FOR THE AIRLINES, ALLEGIANT AIRLINES IN LAS VEGAS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT GOT INTO HER MIND.

WORKING FOR KB IS THE APEX OF -- FOR DONNYBROOK IS APEX OF ANY CAREER.

>> AS LONG AS SHE REMEMBERS WHAT HAPPENS IN ST.

LOUIS STAYS IN ST. LOUIS.

>> WE'RE GOING TO MISS HER TERRIBLY.

SHE'S BEEN AN INVALUABLE MEMBER OF OUR TEAM, BUT WE'RE EXCITED FOR HER.

A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.

>> CONGRATULATIONS, AND GOOD LUCK, MICHELLE, WE'RE GOING TO MISS YOU.

HEY, RAY HARTMANN, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT WHAT I THOUGHT WAS ONE OF THE, I DON'T KNOW, WORST THINGS I'VE SEEN IN POLITICS IN A LONG TIME.

THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF DISAGREEMENTS IN JEFFERSON CITY THROUGH THE YEARS.

TO GET EVEN WITH REPRESENTATIVE ROB SCHAAF WHO DISAGREES WITH THE GOVERNOR ON A LOT OF THINGS, INCLUDING ETHICS, THE GOVERNOR'S NONPROFIT THAT HE ASSEMBLED, HAS AN OFFICE NEAR THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, THEY DECIDED BECAUSE ROB SCHAAF IS NOT CARRYING THEIR WATER, TO PUBLISH HIS PERSONAL CELL PHONE NUMBER.

IN FACT, THEY'VE DONE THIS FOR A WEEK NOW, BUYING ADS ON TWITTER AND ELSEWHERE.

DIDN'T APOLOGIZE FOR IT.

THEY CONTINUED TO PUBLISH IT.

SCHAAF USES HIS PHONE FOR FAMILY MEMBERS WHO CALL HIM IN EMERGENCIES.

HE'S A DOCTOR, SOMETIMES PATIENTS CALL HIM.

WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON WHEN TO GET EVEN, POLITICIANS PUBLISH THEIR OPPONENTS' PERSONAL CELL PHONE NUMBERS?

AND MAY I ADD, SCHAAF AS REPUBLICAN ON THE SAME PARTY AS THE GOVERNOR.

>> IT'S ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS -- >> WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> THE CULT OF ERIC GREITENS IS GOING ON.

THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT GREITENS -- AND ROB SCHAAF IS A FLAME THROWER.

HE'S BEEN A PARIAH OF MANY PEOPLE IN THE PARTY.

HE'S PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FACT THAT THE MISSOURI IS THE ONLY STATE IN THE THAT YOU HAD DOESN'T HAVE A PRESCRIPTION DRUG PROGRAM TO MONITOR BECAUSE HE THINKS IT'S AN INVASION OF PRIVACY AND SAID IF PEOPLES ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS DIE, IT'S HELPS THE GENE POOL, SO HE'S OUT THERE.

BUT THE THING ABOUT ERIC GREITENS THAT'S INTERESTING, MUCH EXACTLY LIKE THE PRESIDENT, HE HAS BOTH HOUSES OF THE LEGISLATURE OVERWHELMINGLY, BUT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, HE CAME TO POWER AT THEIR EXPENSE.

JUST BECAUSE HE'S IN THE SAME POLITICAL PARTY NOW, AS RECENTLY AS NINE MONTHS AGO, JUST LIKE DONALD TRUMP, HE WAS A PARIAH TO THEM, PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE TO THE VERY PEOPLE THAT HE'S NOW GOVERNING WITH.

THIS IS JUST PART OF A CIVIL WAR THAT'S GOING ON AND IT'S EXTRAORDINARILY TACKY THAT HE DID THAT TO SCHAAF.

BUT DON'T TAKE THE TALKING POINT THAT IT WAS HIS NOT-FOR-PROFIT THAT DID IT.

IF HIS NOT-FOR-PROFIT DID IT, ERIC GREITENS, MR.

TOUGH GUY NAVY SEAL, SHOULD OWN THAT AND IT'S NOT ABOUT ANYBODY BUT ERIC GREITENS DOING IT AND IT'S HORRIBLE.

>> IT'S AMAZING WHEN YOU THINK OF WHEN THE GOVERNOR'S WIFE WAS HELD UP IN THE -- YOU KNOW, WASN'T IT JUST AROUND THE SCIENCE CENTER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SCIENCE CENTER.

>> IN THE CENTRAL WEST END.

>> WAS IT?

I THOUGHT IT WAS NEAR CVC -- NOT THERE, ST.

LOUIS U HIGH.

>> ST.

LOUIS COLLEGE, NOT HIGH.

>> OKAY, BUT IT'S THIS I'M REACTING SO STRONGLY BECAUSE I WANT TO PROTECT MY FAMILY.

I THINK THIS IS VERY STAR CHAMBER AND REALLY KIND OF TERRIFYING THAT THEY WOULD RESORT TO THIS KIND OF TACTIC.

>> WELL, I'M JUST -- WHAT CONFUSING ME IS THAT SO MUCH TOUGH TALK COMES OUT OF OUR LEGISLATURE RIGHT NOW.

AS YOU SAID, BOTH HOUSES, SENATE, BOTH CONTROLLED BY REPUBLICANS.

ALL THIS TOUGH TALK, GUNS AND DEFEND YOURSELF AND EVERYBODY IS THE ENEMY AND ALL THAT.

HE STARTED OFF THIS ADMINISTRATION BY PRETTY MUCH -- THE DAY HE WAS BERATING PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE AND THEY COME OUT OF THERE FEELING LIKE NOBODY HAS EVER TALKED TO ME LIKE THAT.

WELL, I THOUGHT YOU GUYS WERE LIKE TOUGH AND I THOUGHT YOU WOULDN'T BE TREATED LIKE THIS BY ANY MAN?

SO WHY ARE THEY TAKING THIS?

IT'S UP TO THEM TO STOP IT.

WE CAN SAY THAT'S TERRIBLE.

WELL, STOP IT, STOP HIM.

>> AND YOU MAY STILL HAVE A LOT OF THINGS ON THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU NEED TO MAKE CLEAR THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE TREATED LIKE CHILDREN.

>> RAY MADE A GOOD POINT, THOUGH, ABOUT SCHAAF BEING A FLAME THROWER HIMSELF.

THIS IS LIKE WATCHING A JAPANESE MOVIE, GODZILLA VERSUS KING KONG.

I DON'T KNOW WHO TO ROOT FOR IN THIS THING.

>> I THINK WHAT GREITENS HAS DONE IS AWFUL, PUTTING A DOCTOR'S CELL PHONE OUT IN PUBLIC AND URGING PEOPLE TO CALL IT AND BLOW IT UP, BUT THE WHOLE -- >> THE WHOLE THING IS WEIRD.

>> NOT ONLY ARE THEY CHILDREN -- GO AHEAD.

>> NO.

WILL HE BE UNSCATHED BY THIS?

IS IT JUST GOING TO BE -- >> YES, HE WILL, BECAUSE HE IS NOT ONE OF THEM AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT HIM -- THEY'RE NOT ONLY CHILDREN IN A WAY, THEY'RE CHILDREN WHO FACE -- WHO ARE MOST CONCERNED, ABOVE ALL ELSE, ABOUT THEIR RE-ELECTION.

IN THE CASE OF TERM LIMITS, THEY'RE ALSO HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT A PRIMARY AND SO -- AND HE HAS, HE CONTROLS ENOUGH OF WHAT THEY LIVE FOR THAT THEY REALLY CAN'T BAND TOGETHER LIKE THAT.

IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE WHETHER ANYTHING ACTUALLY GETS PASSED.

WE'RE ONLY A VERY SHORT TIME AWAY FROM THE END OF THE SESSION NOW AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE MUCH -- >> IT'S SELFISH.

>> I THINK IT'S GOOD BUT -- [ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] >> THEY GOT THAT.

THAT WAS OBVIOUS.

>> BUT HERE'S THE THING, RAY.

YOU DID POINT OUT.

I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT SCHAAF.

I CANNOT EXPLAIN AND I CERTAINLY CAN'T ENDORSE HIS VERIFY ON THE OPIOID PRESCRIPTION DRUG DATABASE, THAT WAS WRONG, BUT HE IS RIGHT WHEN IT COMES TO ETHICS REFORM.

HE DOESN'T WANT A REVOLVING DOOR BETWEEN THE LEGISLATURE AND LOBBYISTS.

HE DOESN'T WANT GIFTS AND HE ALSO DOESN'T WANT THE DARK MONEY.

THAT'S THE MONEY THAT GOES INTO THESE NOT-FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS.

THE DONORS ARE ANONYMOUS AND THEY CAN DO ALL THE BIDDING OF POLITICIANS.

HE'S AGAINST THAT.

>> BUT HE DOESN'T AGREE WITH -- HE AGREES WITH GREITENS.

GREITENS IS THE ONE THAT CAME INTO OFFICE CALLING THEM ALL CRIMINALS.

>> BUT GREITENS DOESN'T REALLY BELIEVE IN ETHICS REFORM.

>> I GET THAT, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS BOTH OF THEM HAVE MADE MAJOR TALKING POINTS OF BEATING UP ON THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS AND THE LOBBYING PROCESS AS IT IS, AND IT'S A GIANT FREE-FOR ALL.

>> OKAY, GUYS.

WENDY, FINAL COMMENT.

>> WHAT'S FASCINATING IS WE STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO BEFORE WE KNOW HOW THIS WHOLE POPULIST WAVE IS GOING TO TAKE SHAPE.

>> BILL, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT A VERY SAD INCIDENT THIS WEEK AND THAT'S WHEN NORMANDY MOVESES TRIED TO PULL OVER A CAR DRIVEN BY A 15-YEAR-OLD AT ABOUT 9:46 ON A SCHOOL DAY, TWO 16-YEAR-OLD PASSENGERS IN IT, AND ABOUT TWO MINUTES LATER AFTER A QUICK CHASE, A HIGH SPEED CHASE, 80, 90 MILES AN HOUR, THE CAR ON HIGHWAY 70 ENDED UP GOING NEAR THE AIRPORT AND CRASHING INTO ANOTHER CAR THAT HAD TWO CHILDREN IN IT, NOW IN THE HOSPITAL.

ONE IN CRITICAL AND UNSTABLE CONDITION.

THAT'S THE 9-YEAR-OLD.

THE 5-YEAR-OLD IS IN CRITICAL BUT STABLE CONDITION.

BETTER, BUT NOT GOOD.

SOME PEOPLE ARE SAYING THE POLICE SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD ANY SORT OF CHASE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?

>> I DON'T EVEN THINK THIS IS ABOUT CHASING.

NO ONE THINKS THAT CHASES ARE GOOD.

THIS IS ABOUT PUTTING ON A SIREN WHEN HERE'S A CAR THAT'S BEEN HIJACKED AT GUNPOINT.

YOU GOT TO DO SOMETHING AND THE NOTION THAT WE WON'T EVER TRY TO TO BE ANYBODY BECAUSE THEY RUN, THAT JUST ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO RUN.

I REALLY THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW -- I DON'T FIND ANY FAULT WITH THE COPS.

I FIND ALL THE FAULT WITH THESE KIDS AND MAYBE THEIR PARENTS, AND IT'S A JUVENILE JUSTICE THING THAT WE'LL NEVER EVEN KNOW WHO THESE KIDS WERE.

I MEAN, THEY HAVE CREATED TREMENDOUS HAVOC AND WE'LL NEVER EVEN KNOW WHO THEY WERE.

AT LEAST WHEN THAT JUVENILE, THE YOUNG GIRL SHOT THE TWO KOREANS, AT LEAST WE KNEW WHO IT WAS.

WE'LL NEVER EVEN KNOW WHO THESE KIDS ARE.

>> OR WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM.

>> YEAH.

I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT REFORMING THE JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM.

>> WELL, IF THE -- EITHER ONE OF THE BOYS WERE TO PASS AWAY, I THINK THEY COULD BE TRIED AS ADULTS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR A FACT, CAN YOU DO THAT IN MISSOURI?

>> SURE, SURE, BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO CERTIFY KIDS.

LIKE THAT GIRL WHO I TALKED ABOUT WITH THE KOREAN WAS IN SHOPLIFTING AND WAS CAUGHT.

WE DIDN'T CERTIFY HER AND I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD HAVE.

SHE WAS LIKE 13 OR SOMETHING.

BUT I JUST THINK IT'S WRONG TO EVEN THINK ABOUT BLAMING THE POLICE OR A CHASE ON THIS ONE.

>> NO, YOU'RE RIGHT.

BETWEEN 1979 AND 2014, I DIDN'T KNOW THIS, OVER 11,000 PEOPLE HAVE DIED -- THAT'S A CITY.

THAT'S A CITY.

THAT'S AN ENTIRE CITY.

>> DUE TO?

>> HIGH SPEED POLICE CHASES.

AND WE ARE STILL DEBATING THE MERITS OR THE IMPORTANCE OF, YOU KNOW, CAMERAS FOR POLICE OFFICERS.

>> BODY CAMS.

>> BODY CAMS, EVEN DASHBOARD CAMS IN SOME CASES, BUT IT'S AMAZING HOW MUCH TECHNOLOGY IS IN THE PIPELINE.

THEY'RE DOING ALL THEY CAN IN TERMS OF TRYING TO MAKE THESE HIGH SPEED CHASES OBSOLETE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S PAINTING THEM WITH INFRARED SOMETHING OR OTHER, YOU KNOW, DYE OR A TROOPER COULD SHOOT, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF GEL THAT WOULD HIT THE BACK OF THE CAR SO THAT THEY COULD GET IT LATER.

HELICOPTER SURVEILLANCE.

IT'S AMAZING TO ME, THOUGH, AFTER ALL THIS TIME THAT WE DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION WITH THESE -- WITH PEOPLE -- >> THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DRONES AS A POSSIBILITY TOO.

>> SURE.

>> AND I AGREE.

I AGREE WITH BILL, IT'S THE JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT THERE'S SO MANY ISSUES, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION ABOUT THAT AND I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T BLAME -- WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH OF THE FACTS OF THIS CASE TO BLAME THESE OFFICERS.

THEY MUST BE GOING THROUGH A TOUGH TIME THEMSELVES RIGHT NOW.

I AM GENERALLY ANTI-CHASE, THOUGH, AND I THINK THAT THE BENEFIT OF HINDSIGHT, IF SOMEBODY IS NOT BEING KIDNAPPED IN A CAR, IT'S NOT WORTH, IN TERMS OF RISK AND REWARD, RISKING ANYBODY'S LIFE, INCLUDING THE POLICE OFFICERS.

LET'S REMEMBER SOMETHING.

AMONG THOSE 11,000 VICTIMS ARE THE POLICE OFFICERS.

>> OH, NO QUESTION.

>> POLICE OFFICERS, WE ALWAYS SAY V A RIGHT TO COME HOME TO THEIR LOVED ONES.

AMONG PEOPLE BEING AT RISK IN A CHASE ARE THE COPS AND NO POLICE OFFICER'S LIFE IS WORTH RISKING TO RETURN A STOLEN CAR.

SO MY POINT IS -- >> BUT YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE OFF ON A HIGH SPEED -- >> AGAIN, IN THIS CASE, OBVIOUSLY YOUR INSTINCT IS TO START OFF SOMEBODY, SO I'M NOT GOING TO CRITICIZE THESE PARTICULAR COPS, BUT IN GENERAL, CHASES ARE NOT WORTH IT.

>> THIS WAS NOT A TRAFFIC THING WHERE THESE KIDS HAD TO, YOU KNOW -- WERE SPEEDING.

I MEAN, THIS WAS A CAR THAT HAD BEEN CARJACKED AT GUNPOINT.

>> AT GUNPOINT.

>> IF THEY KNOW THERE'S NO VICTIMS IN IT -- >> AND THEN THEY SHOOT SOMEBODY LATER -- >> BILL, IF THEY KNOW -- WE DON'T KNOW -- I KEEP SAYING, WE DON'T KNOW THE FACTS.

IF THEY KNOW, SAY, THE VICTIMS HAVE CALLED IT IN AND SAID WE'RE NOT IN THE CAR, IF THEY KNOW IT'S NOT A KIDNAPPING SITUATION, THAT THE VICTIMS ARE NOT IN DANGER -- >> BUT RAY, NO CAR -- >> NO, YOU DON'T LET THEM NO.

>> IT'S THE LAWLESSNESS.

PEOPLE AREN'T AFRAID -- >> NO, CHARLIE, THAT'S THE FALSE STORY.

>> HAVE DRONES EVERYWHERE.

>> THAT'S THE FALSE CHOICE.

IT'S NOT ABOUT FACING OR LETTING THEM GO.

IT'S NO COP'S LIFE AND NO CITIZEN'S LIFE IS WORTH CHASING DOWN A STOLEN CAR.

>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT -- >> NO, IT'S NOT WORTH IT.

>> IN THE CITY OF ST.

LOUIS, HALF THE HOMICIDES AREN'T SOLVED, THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THE PEOPLE ARE.

IT'S DIFFICULT ENOUGH TO GET THE PERPETRATORS OF THE -- >> WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF -- I SAY BYE BYE.

>> EVERYWHERE IS DIFFERENT.

THIS IS ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

FLYING PAST ME HEADED TOWARDS WESTERBORO, CHASING PEOPLE SHOPLIFTING, NOT WORTH IT.

WRONG LANE, 100 MILES AN HOUR, NOT WORTH IT.

GUNS INVOLVES AND ALL THAT, ABSOLUTELY.

YOU HAVE TO DO THAT.

AND OH, BY THE WAY, IF I'M CARJACKED AND THEY SEE MY CAR, THEY'VE GOT SOME INCLINATION THAT I'M STILL IN THE CAR, CHASE ME.

I WANT YOU TO CHASE ME AND I WANT YOU TO -- >> ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT -- [ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] >> NOT WORTH IT.

>> WENDY, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT A REALLY DIFFICULT SITUATION IN CHESTERFIELD WHERE THERE'S A MOBILE HOME PARK, LONG-TIME MOBILE HOME PARK AND ABOUT 130 MOBILE HOMES IN THERE, AND SOME OF THE RESIDENTS OWN THE MOBILE HOMES, BUT THEY DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY, SO THEY'RE PAYING RENT TO SOMEBODY.

THERE'S ABOUT 500 PEOPLE AMONG THOSE 140, MAYBE 130, 140 FAMILIES.

WELL, AS IT TURNS OUT, THAT LAND, LIKE ALL OF CHESTERFIELD, THE RIPE FOR DEVELOPMENT AND THE DEVELOPERS WANT TO TURN IT INTO APARTMENTS THAT WILL CHARGE ABOUT $1400 A MONTH.

A LOT HIGHER THAN THE $400 A MONTH THAT THE CURRENT TENANTS ARE PAYING, RIGHT?

SO THE QUESTION BEFORE CHESTERFIELD IS, SHOULD THAT PROPERTY BE REZONED WITH THE RESIDENTS KICKED OUT BUT GIVEN RELOCATION EXPENSES SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THIS APARTMENT HOUSING IN CHESTERFIELD?

>> I THINK THAT IT'S PROBABLY INEVITABLE THAT THIS KIND OF THING IS -- I MEAN, THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE PLACE AND SADLY, DISPLACE THESE FAMILIES AND I WAS TELLING YOU ALL EARLIER THAT WHEN I WAS A KID IN JUNIOR HIGH, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WE USED TO -- THAT WAS ONE OF OUR BUS STOPS.

YOU KNOW, WE WOULD PICK UP THE KIDS WHO LIVED THERE, AND YOU'VE GOT GENERATIONS OF PEOPLE THERE.

THEY BELONG TO OUR PARISH.

AND THEY'RE -- YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN GREAT, THEY'VE BEEN GREAT CITIZENS.

SO IF THIS IS INEVITABLE WITH ALL OF THE BUILDING GOING ON OUT THERE AND YOU'VE GOT MONSANTO AND ALL SORTS OF -- YOU KNOW, AND IN TERMS OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES FOR $1400, THERE HASN'T BEEN ONE SINCE, WHAT, WAS IT 1988?

THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO STAY, BUT I SAY DIG IN YOUR HEELS AND GET AS MUCH AS YOU POSSIBLY K HONESTLY, FOR THE RESIDENTS.

THEY'VE ALREADY MADE THEM PROMISE THAT THEY WON'T MAKE THEM RELOCATE DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR.

BUT I DO THINK -- I DO THINK THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE ARE BAD GUYS, BUT I THINK LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE WORLD, GET AS MUCH AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN.

>> I DISAGREE.

I THINK IT'S WITHIN THE POWERS OF THE MUNICIPALITY NOT TO REZONE IT AND TO ALLOW THE 140 UNITS TO REMAIN AT LEAST FOR THE TIME BEING.

IT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE IN OUR AREA, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

>> I AGREE.

>> I DON'T CARE WHAT CITY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THE WORKING POOR, THE LANDSCAPERS, THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN HOTEL ROOMS, THEY CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO LIVE AND THEY DEFINITELY CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO LIVE IN A DECENT SCHOOL DISTRICT LIKE THE ONE WE HAVE IN CHESTERFIELD, SO IF CHESTERFIELD CAN KEEP THOSE FAMILIES THERE, I SAY THEY SHOULD DO IT.

>> WELL, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE -- OKAY, CHESTERFIELD FAMILIES, THEY MAY BE WORKING CLASS AND ALL THAT, BUT SEEMS TO ME THAT PEOPLE GET MOVED OUT ALL THE TIME.

BUSINESSES, SOME RESIDENTS GOING TO GET MOVED OUT FOR THE STADIUM THAT NEVER HAPPENED.

THE FI AGENCY IF YOU LIVED IN THAT LITTLE SPOT OF LAND.

YOU OWN YOUR HOUSE.

GENERATIONS LIVE THERE, WE OWNED OUR HOUSE, BUT YOU HAVE TO GO.

THIS HAPPENS IN CHESTERFIELD AND REGARDLESS WHO THE PEOPLE ARE, THIS IS A BIG STORY, OH, THE POOR MOBILE HOME PEOPLE IN CHESTERFIELD.

I THINK THIS IS -- THE BATTLE IS ABOUT CHESTERFIELD, THE BATTLE IS NOT ABOUT THE MOBILE HOMES.

>> ACTUALLY, ALVIN, I DO REMEMBER A LOT OF STORIES ABOUT THE PEOPLE BEING FORCED TO MOVE FROM THE NVA.

IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT IMMEDIATELY BROUGHT FORTH THIS, I DON'T KNOW, FUROR OR WHATEVER.

>> WELL, THERE WEREN'T THAT MANY FAMILIES WITH KIDS, BUT THERE WAS A BIG STORY ABOUT IT.

>> AND IT FITS THE NARRATIVE, ALVIN.

HEARTLESS, WEALTHY MUNICIPALITY, NOTHING CAN BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

>> YOU KNOW, UPENDING THIS WHOLE LITTLE CLOSE-KNIT COMMUNITY.

WHY CAN'T THEY BUILD SECTION 8 HOUSING, MORE SECTION 8 HOUSING?

>> SECTION 8 IS REQUIRED FOR EVERY MUNICIPALITY IF YOU HAVE A BIG DEVELOPMENT, IF YOU HAVE A BIG DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GETTING SOME SORT OF TAX INCENTIVE, YOU SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO SET ASIDE SOME PERCENTAGE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND LIKE MASSACHUSETTS, WE SHOULD HAVE A RULE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A PERCENTAGE OF SECTION 8 IN EVERY CITY AND TOWN.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT, CHARLIE, THIS IS -- FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOUR SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU SAY AT ALL, BUT THIS IS A GARDEN VARIETY ZONING ISSUE, AND IT IS MADE NEWS WORTHY BECAUSE IT IS IN CHESTERFIELD, IT INVOLVES WHITE FOLKS FRANKLY VERSUS BLACK FOLKS IN SO MANY OTHER AREAS.

THERE'S THAT COMPONENT TO IT, ALTHOUGH NOT EXCLUSIVELY, AND IT'S THE NOVELTY, MUCH LIKE WE HAD IN FRONTENAC.

I REMEMBER THIS WAS AN ISSUE THERE.

THE NOVELTY OF A MOBILE HOME IN FRONT SNACK OR MOBILE HOME IN CHESTERFIELD SOUNDS SORT OF LIKE AN OXYMORONIC SORT OF PHRASE AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE NEWS.

IT WOULD BE A MUCH LESSER STORY, AND IT'S NOT JUST RACE.

IF THERE WERE WHITE SUBURBS, IT WOULDN'T BE A STORY AT ALL.

IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE WEALTH OF THE SUBURBS AND THE THOUGHT OF A MOBILE HOME THERE AND I COMPLETELY SYMPATHIZE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S JUST A ZONING QUESTION.

>> ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON.

ALVIN REID, ANOTHER ISSUE, THIS TIME TWO NORTH ST.

LOUIS STATE REPRESENTATIVES, ONE IS BRUCE FRANKS AND I GUESS THE OTHER GUYS NAME IS JOSHUA PETERS AND THEY BOTH SENT A LETTER TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYING THEY DON'T WANT BIDDLE HOUSE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S A HOMELESS SHELTER THEY CREATED ABOUT A YEAR AGO, SO IT'S NORTH ST.

LOUIS SAYING NOT IN MY BACKYARD.

HUH?

WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?

>> WELL, ONE, I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN THE LOOK ON BEN CARSON'S FACE WHEN HE GOT THAT LETTER AND READ IT.

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PRICELESS, BUT LISTEN, JUST LIKE, HEY, WE'RE MOVING THE HOMELESS SHELTER TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, PEOPLE WOULD IMMEDIATELY RAISE THEIR HAND AND SAY, NO, NOT A GOOD IDEA.

IF YOU LIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE, I MEAN, I AGREE WITH THEM.

WAIT A MINUTE, WHY ARE WE MOVING IT HERE?

JUST LIKE, WELL, YOU'RE STUFF IS ALREADY FALLING APART AND RAGGEDLY, HERE, TAKE SOME HOMELESS PEOPLE TOO.

>> WHY THEY BE ANY LESS OPPOSED TO THE HOMELESS THAN ANY OTHER -- >> THEY COME DOWNTOWN AND BUY PROPERTY NEAR THE HOMELESS SHELTER AND SAY WE DON'T LIKE THE HOMELESS PEOPLE, WHY DON'T WE MOVE THEM OVER TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR HOME VALUES WILL GO WAY UP AND YOURS WILL SINK A LITTLE.

IT JUST SEEMS RIDICULOUS.

I AGREE WITH THESE PEOPLE.

>> IT IS RIDICULOUS, BUT THE ISSUE IS MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT.

I MEAN IN TERMS OF HOW HE RAN THE SHELTER AND THE THING THAT'S NOT BEING ADDRESSED WITH ALL THESE ARE THE LONG-TERM, VERY DIFFICULT, VERY EXTRAORDINARILY COMPLEX ISSUES OF PERMANENT SOLUTIONS FOR THE HOMELESS, WHETHER IT'S TREATMENT OR IT'S FINDING PERMANENT HOUSING.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT NEVER SEEM TO GET ADDRESSED WHEN -- AND, OF COURSE, ANY NEIGHBORHOOD, PEOPLE IN NORTH ST.

LOUIS HAVE THE SAME RIGHT ANYBODY ELSE DOES TO SAY NO AND MOST OF US WOULD -- NOBODY WANTS TO NECESSARILY HAVE A HOMELESS SHELTER NEXT DOOR TO THEM.

THAT'S NOT A CRUEL THING TO SAY.

>> OH, COME ON NOW, YOU GUYS ARE ALL HYPOCRITES.

>> I'M NOT A HYPOCRITE ABOUT IT.

I'M SAYING WE NEED A LONG-TERM -- >> YOU'LL CRITICIZE THE DWELLERS FOR REJECTING THE HOMELESS.

>> BECAUSE THE HOMELESS WERE THERE FIRST, CHARLIE.

IT'S LIKE MOVING NEXT TO THE AIRPORT AND SAYING, GEE, THAT'S LOUD, LENS GET RID OF IT.

>> BUT THE INDIANS WERE HERE FIRST, BILL, AND WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM.

>> LET ME BE CLEAR ABOUT THIS.

WHAT WE'RE NOT DOING IS TREATING THE HOMELESS AS HUMAN BEINGS WHO NEED LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS AND WE'RE WAREHOUSING THEM AND THEN TO BE MAD AT SOME NEIGHBORHOOD IN NORTH ST.

LOUIS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO BE THAT WAREHOUSE.

WE NEED LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS FOR THESE PEOPLE.

>> BIDDLE HOUSE IS NOT A WAREHOUSE.

>> LIKE YOU SAY, THE ROOT IS REALLY DEEP, BUT IT COMES DOWN TO PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT LARRY RICE AND THAT HOMELESS SHELTER NEAR THEM, SO THEY SHUT THEM DOWN.

[ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] >> NOT ANGRY WITH THE ST.

PATRICK'S CENTER OR THE OTHER HOMELESS SHELTERS.

>> HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE AT THE -- >> THEY GO IN IN AND OUT EVERY DAY.

IT'S A MAGNET FOR THE HOMELESS.

>> AND THEY COME FROM LARRY RICE'S PLACE.

YOU GET RID OF LARRY RICE'S PLACE, YOU DON'T HAVE ST.

PATRICK'S ANYMORE.

>> THAT'S NOT THE PLAN, THAT'S NOT THE MAN.

>> TO BE FAIR, LARRY RICE'S PLACE HAD PROBLEMS.

I WASN'T JUST A BUNCH OF YUPPIES SAYING WE WANT THEM OUT OF HERE.

LARRY RICE'S PLACE HAS PROBLEMS.

[ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] >> FINDING LARGE HOMELESS SHELTERS THAT DOESN'T HAVE PROBLEMS?

>> THE PROBLEM IS THE HOMELESS ARE THERE.

>> IN DENVER -- >> WELL, THE PROBLEM IS NOT PROVIDING LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS.

>> LET'S MOVE ON TO ANOTHER TOPIC.

I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, ALVIN, TO TALK ABOUT A PROPOSED SODA TAX IN THE LAND OF LINCOLN.

A PENNY AN OUNCE.

12-OUNCE COCA-COLA, A 12-OUNCE TAX.

THEY'VE ALREADY DONE ONE OR TWO CENTS PER OUNCE IN COOK COUNTY.

THEY'RE GOING TO RAISE, THEY HOPE, ABOUT $600 MILLION, BUT IT'S A TAX AGAINST THE POOR, ISN'T IT?

>> I'LL USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT MY DAUGHTER AND I SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN CHICAGO VISITING COLLEGES AND SHE IS GOING TO GO TO ONE OF THE FINEST CATHOLIC UNIVERSITIES IN THE NATION, VERY LIBERAL SCHOOL, BY THE WAY, BUT WE'VE HEARD THESE COMMERCIALS THEY HAVE ABOUT THIS SODA TAX AND THEY RUN IT OUT LIKE A TWO-LITER BOTTLE OF SODA CAN NOW COST -- SOME CRAZY THING LIKE $4.30, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

I WANT TO SPICE IT UP AROUND HERE, BUT THE SIN TAX THAT GOES WITH THINGS, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

>> THAT'S BECAUSE YOUR OX IS NOT BEING GOURD.

>> I DON'T DRINK A LOT OF SODA.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

THE MINUTE THEY GO AFTER MAKERS MARK, YOU'RE GOING TO BE BLAZING.

>> OR COFFEE.

>> OR COFFEE.

>> WE TALK ABOUT THE POOR PEOPLE THERE.

WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO SMOKE CIGARETTES AND DRINK A BIG GULP.

THIS IS GOING TO RUN THE GOVERNMENT ON THEIR BACKS.

>> MY PRODUCER AS 26-YEAR-OLD SMOKER IN CHICAGO AND HE TOLD ME HE PAID $11 A PACK FOR CIGARETTES.

>> BUT SEE, THE QUESTION ON SODA, AND IT'S NOT, BY THE WAY, JUST POOR PEOPLE WHO DRINK SODA, BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTED, I GUESS THAT'S A FAIR POINT.

THE CIGARETTE TAX MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW TRAGIC IT IS FOR PEOPLE THEY'RE BEING PRICED OUT THE MARKET FOR THEIR CIGARETTES, THAT'S EXACTLY THE INTENTION AND THE RATIONALE OF THE GOVERNMENT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

>> SO WHEN YOU TO AWAY -- [ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] >> AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY.

>> THE QUESTION, THE QUESTION -- I THINK THAT TOBACCO TAX MAKES GREAT SENSE.

I THINK THE WHOLE TOBACCO SETTLEMENT, THE WHOLE LAWSUIT MADE GREAT SENSE.

>> WE'RE TALKING SODA.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

NOW THE QUESTION IS HOW FAR DO YOU WANT TO GO?

I'M KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT I THIS BY A SODA TAX.

I THINK THE STUDIES SHOW A CONNECTION FOR THE SAME WAY THAT THE PUBLIC, WE THE PEOPLE, SPEND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BECAUSE OF OBESITY, THAT THIS CONTRIBUTES TO -- >> BUT IT'S NOT A DIRECT -- >> THERE ARE PHONE CALLS ON YOUR TURN JUST AROUND THE CORNER, BUT FIRST, LET'S READ THOSE LETTERS FROM LAST WEEK.

LYDA KREWSON WAS SMART TO ENCOURAGE CHIEF SAM DOTSTON TO LEAVE BY OFFERING AN ATTRACTIVE SEVERANCE PACKAGE.

WE ALSO HEARD FROM TOM OF ST.

LOUIS WHO WROTE, IN 2017, EASTERN CITIES CALLED ST.

LOUIS CITY THE WICKEDEST CITY DUE TO OUR HOMICIDE RATE.

HOWEVER, OUR ST.

LOUIS CITY OFFICIALS CONCERN THEMSELVES WITH STADIUMS AND A CONVENTION CENTER.

AND WE ALSO HEARD FROM ERIC ROGERS OF TROY WHO WROTE, WHY CAN'T THOSE WHO GET IN FREE MAKE A SMALL DONATION TO THE ZOO RATHER THAN CREATE AN ADMISSION FEE?

YOU CAN WRITE US CARE OF KETC, 3655 OLIVE STREET, ST.

LOUIS, MISSOURI 63108, AND DON'T FORGET THOSE EMAILS.

LETTERS@KETC.ORG AND THOSE TWEETS, #DONNYBROOKSTL BECAUSE ALVIN AND I WILL READ THEM IN JUST A MOMENT ON YOUR TURN.

DON'T GO AWAY.

CONGRATULATIONS TO MICHELLE WHALEY, WE'RE GOING TO MISS YOU, AND EVERYBODY, SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.

>> Announcer: DONNYBROOK IS MADE POSSIBLE THROUGH THE GENEROUS SUPPORT OF THE MEMBERS OF KETC.